# In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than adaher? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639 "2013-08-31T04:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/281 "2013-09-08T03:30:06Z")
I’d say the single biggest reason for the drop in crime over the last 20 years is that the largest age group in this country, Baby Boomers, have just been getting too old to run around raising hell, burglarizing, etc… Between their bodies getting old, and the natural process of maturing through life experience, they’ve calmed down and mostly just joined society. In addition, the unreformable criminals among the Boomers are mostly locked up for good, too…they have rap sheets that are so long that judges and parole boards are not eager to let them out. Just my 2 cents. Changes in policing methods have probably helped, too. Heck, just cleaning up NYC back in the 90s probably made a small but noticeable dent in the national crime stats. ROFL ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/282 "2013-09-08T04:00:37Z")
In case you’re not reading your [other Pit thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16645894#post16645894), I’ll repeat a post full of free advice: > [@](#): > > I grade my students down a little when they screw up. But if they don’t realize it, or don’t understand why it’s a problem, they get graded way down. > > If they won’t admit they made a mistake? (Well, they just don’t understand why the rest of the class loses all respect in them.) > Those are the self-deluded who end up dropping out of school. > > ```auto > > I just realized something: > A lot of times I have an opinion or a "fact" that sounds catchy and it's something i really wish was true. > > You know what I do? I shut up and wait, and read what others post. And usually, someone smarter than I am comes in and posts a position supported by logic and facts. And I think "Whew, glad I didn't post that witty-yet-dubious comment!" > > Listen and learn. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/283 "2013-09-08T21:06:56Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It’s like \*\*curlcoat \*\*and \*\*Clothahump \*\*had a love child who eats lead paint. Based on **adaher** ’s decision to open a “You’re all big meanies and that’s worse than my perpetual ignorance”\* thread, **BigT** has to be somewhere in that lineage. \*Paraphrase, not direct quote ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/284 "2013-09-08T23:08:28Z")
Well, I don’t know how you all were brought up, but in civilized society, rudeness is a bigger crime than not being too bright. And usually the rudest intellectuals are the ones who aren’t really all that intellectual. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/285 "2013-09-08T23:14:22Z")
And what is the rudeness factor of deliberate propagation of false information and propaganda? From my perspective, the problem is not just that you’re often wrong, adaher, but that you show a reckless disregard for the truth and you do it with the intent of forwarding your political goals. That’s reprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/286 "2013-09-08T23:18:12Z")
That’s quite an accusation. You should follow your own advice and back that one up. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/287 "2013-09-08T23:20:27Z")
I don’t have to back up an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/288 "2013-09-08T23:34:02Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > And what is the rudeness factor of deliberate propagation of false information and propaganda? From my perspective, the problem is not just that you’re often wrong, adaher, but that you show a reckless disregard for the truth and you do it with the intent of forwarding your political goals. That’s reprehensible. > [@adaher](#): > > That’s quite an accusation. You should follow your own advice and back that one up. Here’s one chosen from many, easily found and shows an absolute disregard for the truth, dropped in with the hope it wouldn’t be spotted. > [@The GOP and Race](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/114): > > The numbers say they don’t. Arizona has a LOT of Latino voters, yet has all Republicans elected statewide. **You need to reeducate some people, apparently. I hear your side has camps for that.** You knew it wasn’t true and there was no reason to drop that nugget in. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/289 "2013-09-08T23:52:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s quite an accusation. You should follow your own advice and back that one up. For starters, you seem to accept the science of global warming, but you do know that Tea Partiers are just voting against any reforms or against the EPA when it deals with the issue. To me it is very rude that you are are willing to distribute the false information and propaganda of deniers that will make life harder for the future generations. Then there was the time where I pointed at evidence that you depended on racist sources or groups to make points about the ICE lawsuit against Obama and the dreamers. To me it is very rude that you are are willing to distribute the false information and propaganda of racists and birthers. And so on, in general it is very rude from you to even make the point that there is no problem on using them as sources, the problem then is that you also claim that you do not agree with the science deniers or racists. But, even in those situations when confronted with the evidence, you never tell us if you got the message of why the use of those sources is bad business, or that you continue to trust those politicians and groups that give you that flawed information simply because they have an (R) next to their name. People can only conclude that you will continue to do the rude thing and use those sources in the future even when you are aware of the bullshit they push, that is what happens when you do not acknowledge that it was a mistake to use them. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/290 "2013-09-08T23:54:09Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t have to back up an opinion. No you do not, fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/291 "2013-09-08T23:55:34Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Here’s one chosen from many, easily found and shows an absolute disregard for the truth, dropped in with the hope it wouldn’t be spotted. > > You knew it wasn’t true and there was no reason to drop that nugget in. Here’s a great example of what a bubble can do to people. It should have been absolutely clear that that was snark. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/292 "2013-09-08T23:59:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Here’s a great example of what a bubble can do to people. It should have been absolutely clear that that was snark. Ever hear of[Poe’s Law](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law)? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/293 "2013-09-09T00:00:10Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > For starters, you seem to accept the science of global warming, but you do know that Tea Partiers are just voting against any reforms or against the EPA when it deals with the issue. Yes on both counts, although I reject the proposed solutions for climate change just as the Tea Party does. Likewise, I reject the anti-evolution views of many conservatives, but I still cleave to them more because of their better views on freedom of religion. They aren’t trying to prosecute teachers who teach evolution anymore, and the textbook wars are being fought by zealot liberals as much as by zealot religious conservatives. I have perfectly valid reasons for supporting the side I do on these issues despite the fact that their thinking is muddled. > [@](#): > > To me it is very rude that you are are willing to distribute the false information and propaganda of deniers that will make life harder for the future generations. If I was distributing false information, that would be pretty rude. But it’s not like I’m linking to denier sites. YOu just seem to think I’m bad for supporting the Tea Party. Which, taken to its logical conclusion, means you don’t think Tea Partiers should even be here. > [@](#): > > Then there was the time where I pointed at evidence that you depended on racist sources or groups to make points about the ICE lawsuit against Obama and the dreamers. The ICE lawsuit is a legitimate issue, and the sources you deemed racist were not, IMO. I understand that you view mainstream conservatism as racist by its very nature, and that’s fine. However, if you’re offended by conservatives presenting their cites and arguments here, I suggest Democratic Underground. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/294 "2013-09-09T00:02:57Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Ever hear of[Poe’s Law](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law)? I get it, I just think that if you were exposed to more conservative humor, you would have figured it out. Instead, you’ve probably heard caricatures of Glenn Beck and other conspiracy theory types who talk about FEMA camps. So you reasonably figured I must be one of those types. I read more liberal blogs than conservative blogs. While that apparently hasn’t made me any smarter, it has made the other side less unfamiliar. I notice an unfortunate tendency on the part of most liberals to not even want to explore the mind of conservatives, thinking it a dark, superstitious, hateful place. And sometimes it is! There’s also a lot of liberals who are strident, angry, and have incredibly weird theories about the way the world works. But there are also a lot of intelligent liberals who I read avidly, like Matt Yglesias, Kevin Drum, and Ezra Klein. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/295 "2013-09-09T00:08:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yes on both counts, although I reject the proposed solutions for climate change just as the Tea Party does. Likewise, I reject the anti-evolution views of many conservatives, but I still cleave to them more because of their better views on freedom of religion. They aren’t trying to prosecute teachers who teach evolution anymore, and the textbook wars are being fought by zealot liberals as much as by zealot religious conservatives. I have perfectly valid reasons for supporting the side I do on these issues despite the fact that their thinking is muddled. The blind can not lead the blind **adaher** , **and that leadership should be reduced for a minion that can see. A minion that can see should look for better leaders.** > [@adaher](#): > > If I was distributing false information, that would be pretty rude. But it’s not like I’m linking to denier sites. YOu just seem to think I’m bad for supporting the Tea Party. Which, taken to its logical conclusion, means you don’t think Tea Partiers should even be here. And indeed they should not. > **[Climate of Doubt | FRONTLINE](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/climate-of-doubt/transcript/?)** > > FRONTLINE explores the massive shift in public opinion on climate change. > [@](#): > > BOB INGLIS (R), Fmr. Congressman, South Carolina: You know, I’m pretty conservative fellow. I got a 93 American Conservative Union rating, 100 percent Christian Coalition, 100 percent National Right to Life, A with the NRA, zero with the ADA, Americans for Democratic Action, a liberal group, and 23 by some mistake with the AFL-CIO. I demand a recount. I wanted a zero. > > JOHN HOCKENBERRY: But Inglis does accept the scientific consensus on global warming and favors legislation to curb the effects of CO2 in the atmosphere. He faced a tea party rebellion in his primary. > > BOB INGLIS: I had a big tent gathering in Spartanberg County, a bunch of Republicans underneath a great big tent. Comes a question to me, “Yes or no, do you believe in human causation on climate change?” Well, I had a bad habit of answering questions, so I said yes. Boo, hiss, comes the crowd. I was blasted out from underneath the tent. And so— I mean, there were a couple of hundred, 300 people there. I mean, it was intense. > > JOHN HOCKENBERRY: He was pounded in commercials and on talk radio. > > BOB INGLIS: It became an oft-repeated theme on talk radio, and that is a major source of information, of course, for Republican primary voters. They were hearing, “Inglis has left the reservation. He’s over there somewhere with Al Gore.” > > So how are things around here? > > STORE OWNER: Slow. The economy’s way off and— > > BOB INGLIS: When you get the financial collapse going, that’s what made it possible for some well-spent money to blow doubt into the science because, you know, the bankers failed us, the federal government is failing us, it’s spending too much money, and these scientists who are funded by that federal government, they’re probably in it, too. And besides, they’re godless liberals. > > JOHN HOCKENBERRY: Inglis was defeated. > > MYRON EBELL, Competitive Enterprise Institute: Bob Inglis was defeated in a Republican primary 79 to 21 percent. Now, how many times has an incumbent who isn’t in prison or facing a prison sentence lost his own primary by 79 to 21 percent? This was overwhelming. But what’s happened is— > > JOHN HOCKENBERRY: [on camera] The smile on your face suggests, “Man, we won one.” > > MYRON EBELL: Of course we won one! > > Rep. BOB INGLIS: We’re on the record. And our grandchildren, our great-grandchildren are going to read— > > JOHN HOCKENBERRY: This climate hearing in the lame duck Congress was Inglis’s last. > > Rep. BOB INGLIS: Your child is sick, 98 doctors say treat him this way, two say, “No, this other is the way to go.” I’ll go with the two. You’re taking a big risk with those kids. > [@adaher](#): > > The ICE lawsuit is a legitimate issue, and the sources you deemed racist were not, IMO. I understand that you view mainstream conservatism as racist by its very nature, and that’s fine. However, if you’re offended by conservatives presenting their cites and arguments here, I suggest Democratic Underground. :rolleyes: Sure, double down on your rudeness, it is clear that you do not care that racists are making your talking points and so your rude show will continue. Your attempt at making a point here only succeeded on showing all that besides that you are only rely on straw men, I never said that mainstream conservative is racist, only the sources that you used during the ICE discussion. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/296 "2013-09-09T00:12:01Z")
And the source was Heritage, was it not? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/297 "2013-09-09T00:14:03Z")
Direct quote from [Michelle Bachmann.](http://archives.politicususa.com/2009/04/06/Bachmann-Americorps-Reeducation-Camps.html) > [@](#): > > Bachmann said that Americorps is really “re-education camps for young people – and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward.” She continued, “It is a dream come true for people who want to transform our country from a free-market economy to a centralized government planned economy. Some other loonies. [http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/04/leaked-u-s-army-plans-for-re-education-camps-in-america/](http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/04/leaked-u-s-army-plans-for-re-education-camps-in-america/) [http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/11/public-schools-are-maoist-reeducation.html](http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/11/public-schools-are-maoist-reeducation.html) > **[ALF Establishes Liberal Re-Education Camps (Pt 3)](http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2012/10/alf-establishes-liberal-re-education.html)** > > Dateline:  Springwood, Texas...June 10th, 2015 Jay Jameson Reporting  (Part 3 of the ALF Series of Reports)                        ... > **[ALF Establishes Liberal Re-Education Camps (Pt 3)](http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2012/10/alf-establishes-liberal-re-education.html)** > > Dateline:  Springwood, Texas...June 10th, 2015 Jay Jameson Reporting  (Part 3 of the ALF Series of Reports)                        ... > **[Your FEMA Re-education Camp](https://www.facebook.com/FEMAKamp)** > > Your FEMA Re-education Camp. 1,620 likes. Your one-stop-shopping for everything thing you'll need to know about adjusting to your new life in > **[Re-Education Camps For Deep State d’Elites](https://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/08/22/re-education-for-deep-state-corrupt-delites/)** > > FEMA published a video today to show us how awesome they are. FEMA wants you to meet Mary David who they relocated after a flood to a new log cabin with stainless steel appliances. Big surprise, Ms… ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/298 "2013-09-09T00:15:32Z")
Well, you’ll never see me accused Bachmann of being very smart. Hopefully now you’ll realize that despite my other issues, I’m not part of that scene. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/299 "2013-09-09T00:24:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And the source was Heritage, was it not? No. You even forget who the cites I posted were referring to. It was [NumbersUSA](http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/the-nativist-lobby-three-faces-of-intolerance#.Ucjawtjy120) and [Kobach the birther](http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2012/06/26/11661/the-top-5-things-you-need-to-know-about-kris-kobach/) as the ones pushing and making the press releases that told you how Obama was negotiating a settlement because the judge was going to invalidate everything that he was doing for the Dreamers. Not what you should use as champions. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/300 "2013-09-09T00:41:21Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Direct quote from [Michelle Bachmann.](http://archives.politicususa.com/2009/04/06/Bachmann-Americorps-Reeducation-Camps.html) > > Some other loonies. > [http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/04/leaked-u-s-army-plans-for-re-education-camps-in-america/](http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/04/leaked-u-s-army-plans-for-re-education-camps-in-america/) > [http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/11/public-schools-are-maoist-reeducation.html](http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/11/public-schools-are-maoist-reeducation.html) > [Lost in America: ALF Establishes Liberal Re-Education Camps (Pt 3)](http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2012/10/alf-establishes-liberal-re-education.html) > [Lost in America: ALF Establishes Liberal Re-Education Camps (Pt 3)](http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2012/10/alf-establishes-liberal-re-education.html) > [Your FEMA Re-education Camp](https://www.facebook.com/FEMAKamp) > [Re-Education Camps For Deep State d’Elites – Political Vel Craft](http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/08/22/fema-re-education-camps-for-corrupt-politicians-mitigating-the-buffoonery-of-the-world-gang-associations-propaganda/) [Bachmann **might** be going to jail.](http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/06/michele-bachmann-congress-prison-doj-launches-investigation.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=16)