# In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than adaher? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639 "2013-08-31T04:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/321 "2013-09-09T19:47:19Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > I think **Bricker** is saying something similar to “If I can make it there, I’ll make it anywhere, > Come on come through, New York, New York.” > > Needless to say, this is almost certainly going to be ignored by **adaher**. I’m not sure, I think I may be seeing glimpses of potential reflection and growth. Might just be I need to clean my glasses, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/322 "2013-09-09T21:06:52Z")
“Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it’s victorious.” - Some guy on the intertubes who isn’t me. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/323 "2013-09-10T01:06:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it’s victorious.” > > - Some guy on the intertubes who isn’t me. Just so you know, that’s going to be my Facebook status for the next few months, until a whim strikes me and I decide to put something new up. If you ever run into that “Some guy on the intertubes,” please thank him for me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/324 "2013-09-10T02:02:44Z")
Got it off of _Daily Kos_, IIRC, as they were doing one of their samplings of bloggers. And did not steal. I think the record should show that. Besides, wouldn’t want to start a squabble. (Pretty recently, it was, maybe yesterday? Most likely easy to find.) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/325 "2013-09-10T02:30:20Z")
Many point to Scott D. Weitzenhoffer (likely a handle) as originating it in a comment in Amazon back in 2005: > **[Playing Chess with Pigeons?](https://pigeonchess.com/playing-with-pigeons/)** > > Playing Chess with Pigeons is the weblog of Troy Britain. The title comes from a very amusing description of what it is like to debate creationists about evolution by Scott D. Weitzenhoffer\*, given… > [@](#): > > The title comes from a very amusing description of what it is like to debate creationists about evolution by Scott D. Weitzenhoffer made in a comment on [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) regarding Eugenie Scotts’ book Evolution Vs. Creationism: An introduction (2004): > > > [@](#): > > > > Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory. > > > > ``` > > The pro-creationist reviewers of this book clearly demonstrate this to be true. > > > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/326 "2013-09-13T13:37:27Z")
Going back to the OP: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I mean, we’ve had some real contenders for the title here, but I don’t think that anyone has ever been so wrong so often about so many different things as **adaher**. Nearly every thing he’s ever posted seems to be wrong. If I were to try to link to them all, I’d just have to post [this link to “Find all posts by **adaher** ”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser) (which is currently no good since the Search feature is down atm). **ralph124c** has been wronger longer than adaher and just about anyone else on the board. Here’s today’s ralph dropping: > [@F-35: top gun or 'dog'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-35-top-gun-or-dog/666914/299): > > If you want to talk about really absurd weapons systems, how about the conversion of Trident sub launched ICBMs to conventional warheads? Instead of the nuke, use a 1 billion missile (launched from a SSBN submarine), to deliver a 2 ton warhead! We can destroy a Taliban village for only 1 billion! This is the age ob absurd war-spend a fortune to attack a 15th century enemy, At least adaher actually responds and defends his assertions. When ralph gets called out he just ignores the post and spews new drivel. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/327 "2013-09-13T14:14:33Z")
Well, I do think that FXmastermind is really jealous on not getting more votes and in his train wreck in the PIT, he is now claiming that what he is doing is not an act. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16663044&postcount=487](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16663044&postcount=487) He is not avoiding ignorance, he fights for it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/328 "2013-09-14T15:35:41Z")
Heh, and after mixing and \*\*repeating \*\*quotes from me to get a fake “debate” going after there is no more to discuss, FXMastermind just repeats his OP that was the reason why the moderator tossed him into the Pit. Like if his demonstrations of willful ignorance and nothing had happened, how pathetic can you get? \*\*ralph124c \*\*also “contributes” and gets another vote. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/329 "2013-09-17T15:43:42Z")
Oh, had to bump this for an even more rightful contender, **brazil84** [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16673542&postcount=589](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16673542&postcount=589) In the same \*\*FX \*\*thread, FX makes a \*\*joke \*\*that others that post noticing how wrong FX and brazil are must be sock puppets of mine, (yes, he can get even more pathetic) and brazil84 supports it. And even when FX claims that it was a joke brasil84 doubles down on the accusation that others that can see that the science and logic supports me are sock puppets of mine. Go ahead, brasil, make a note to the moderators and see yourself be wrong again as they are not socks of mine, I just know that it will be as useless as most of what you have posted in this message board. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/330 "2013-09-17T15:52:53Z")
Careful! He might put you on his “banned” list and never interact with you again! And wouldn’t that be a tragedy? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/331 "2013-09-17T16:05:59Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Careful! He might put you on his “banned” list and never interact with you again! And wouldn’t that be a tragedy? > > :dubious: Too late, **Snowboarder Bo** , I’m already a member\*, and virtually all the ones in the list are indeed more intelligent that I am on grammar. 🙂 The brazil nut has to assume that all others that support me (even real scientist posters in the SDMB) are on the conspiracy or my socks, it is the only way his brain can deal with the notion that I understand the science better than he will ever do. One reason for voting for brazil84, he actually lists the “bans” that he does in the SDMB in this blog, it is hard to imagine a more silly verification of the ignorance of the maker of a list like that. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/332 "2013-09-17T16:35:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes: **adaher** complains that he is being held to a high standard, and asks that even when he is wrong, people go easy on him. My story is intended to show the value in having people go hard on you; to show that if he can craft an argument that survives the hyper-rigorous attacks it encounters here, it’s likely to survive other, less exactly environments. While it’s a valid observation, ubfirtunately it only works of adaher actually understands and can differentiate between those times he “strikes out” and the other times when he “gets on base.” I see no evidence of that – during the course of his arguments he always apparently believes he’s batting a thousand. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/333 "2013-09-18T08:35:43Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > While it’s a valid observation, ubfirtunately it only works of adaher actually understands and can differentiate between those times he “strikes out” and the other times when he “gets on base.” I see no evidence of that – during the course of his arguments he always apparently believes he’s batting a thousand. And when \*\*this \*\*is pointed out to him, he claims he was playing volleyball all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/334 "2013-09-18T19:45:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Careful! He might put you on his “banned” list and never interact with you again! And wouldn’t that be a tragedy? > > :dubious: I cry every morning… ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/335 "2013-09-25T16:09:46Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > adaher, if you stopped posting, this board would be a better place. You are not just rude, **you are actively destructive**. You run into every thread you can see, **knowingly posting lies and propaganda** , after having been REPEATEDLY told that what you are saying is untrue, you continue over and over. You make every thread about you, and your wrongheaded bullshit. You have **basically ruined the board for people who want to see _intelligent_ debates** , because instead it’s the adaher show all the time on all channels. **If you were to go away, maybe actual, interesting, useful discussions could be had** , rather than having to constantly debunk the propaganda you feel the need to vomit all over the walls. > > … > > When you were proven wrong with your bullshit about how all the polls were wrong, you ran away, refused to admit you were wrong, and acted like a total coward, coming back and suddenly **spewing out more propaganda later, as if nothing had happened**. > > You are literally one of the dumbest, **most destructive people on this board** , and for you to even PRETEND that you’re being unfairly attacked, or that you’re “not rude” just being picked on for your arguments is appalling. \*\*You don’t have arguments. You have bullshit. \*\*Save the term “argument” for something that is actually worth responding to. You know what else is dumb? When you look at a textbook and every other sentence is fully highlighted and the blank ones between have a couple highlighted words. But sometimes a section is so packed with information or astute observations that you really would be better off highlighting the whole thing. Anyway, \*\*Karrius’s \*\*post hit the crux of things. Ralph and a couple other serial posters are simply feebleminded. They’re not destructive in that they don’t hijack threads where adults what to discuss an issue. Adaher’s bullshit prevents rationale discourse in order to address his intentionally misleading propaganda and outright lies. I’m looking forward to October first because a handful of answers will come out regarding the roll-out of Obamacare. But I’m hesitant to post because of the feeling that it’ll turn into just another failed day at kindergarten where adaher comes in with wrong answers and wrong analysis (a mix of mostly rehashed arguments that have been demonstrated false and new talking points directly from wnd and other birther-level sites) to derail the thread off my intended topic. _That’s_ the essence of his destructiveness: not only in derailing threads, but also in diminishing other posters’ motivation to start/engage a conversation. He’s a malignant piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/336 "2013-09-25T16:31:03Z")
**Mickiel** and **Gack** are about to set new records. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/337 "2013-09-25T16:35:07Z")
I dunno - much as he’s making fast progress, **Gack** has a lot of ground to make up. His recent use of Hitler in defense of the view that the Holocaust didn’t happen is a damn good effort though. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/338 "2013-09-25T16:47:57Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Y > > I’m looking forward to October first because a handful of answers will come out regarding the roll-out of Obamacare. But I’m hesitant to post because of the feeling that it’ll turn into just another failed day at kindergarten where adaher comes in with wrong answers and wrong analysis (a mix of mostly rehashed arguments that have been demonstrated false and new talking points directly from wnd and other birther-level sites) to derail the thread off my intended topic. > > _That’s_ the essence of his destructiveness: not only in derailing threads, but also in diminishing other posters’ motivation to start/engage a conversation. He’s a malignant piece of shit. Sounds to me like you just don’t want to hear facts that conflict with the Baghdad Bob-style reporting of the rosy rollout of ACA. It’s no longer just the right-wing sites now. The mainstream media, as we get closer, is posting more and more stories about what’s going wrong. I’ll say the same thing to you I’ve said to others here: if you want a discussion that ranges from effusive praise of ACA all the way to critics who wish we’d have single-payer instead but can live with ACA, there’s a site for you called Democratic Underground. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/339 "2013-09-25T17:01:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sounds to me like you just don’t want to hear facts You keep on using that word. I’m not sure you know what reasoned speculation means, let alone ‘fact’. Fuck this. I’m putting you on ignore. Worthless. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/340 "2013-09-25T17:03:53Z")
I’d recommend that you at least read Ezra Klein’s latest analysis of the costs of the ACA. Assuming you actually want to know the facts from a trusted source. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=18)