# In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than adaher? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639 "2013-08-31T04:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/381 "2013-09-27T03:56:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Town Square Exiles, US Politics Discussion Forum, [Debatepolitics.com](http://Debatepolitics.com) You should check out Yahoo Answers. It’s right up your alley. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/382 "2013-09-27T04:02:18Z")
Or [Ask.com](http://Ask.com), or maybe [www.imafuckingidiot.com](http://www.imafuckingidiot.com)… hey! is that you? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/383 "2013-09-27T04:10:17Z")
Well, those sites are better than the Liberal Spin Message Board. BTW, have you ever wondered why Straight Dope needs a Pit, whereas most other discussion boards don’t? Just think on that for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/384 "2013-09-27T04:15:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, those sites are better than the Liberal Spin Message Board. > > BTW, have you ever wondered why Straight Dope needs a Pit, whereas most other discussion boards don’t? Just think on that for a bit. I think it’s because posters like you are the norm on other boards. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/385 "2013-09-27T04:18:18Z")
I know how to be civil. That seems to be challenging for enough of you that you had to have a forum. They have something like this in juvenile reform schools, a place where kids can go and fight under supervision. The better places just don’t need a Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/386 "2013-09-27T04:20:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What’s wrong with single payer is that the support for it is 99% ideological. it’s an old, obsolete model whose only virtue is that it’s cheap. Multi-payer systems are superior by most metrics. > > [Health system - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#International_comparisons) > > The most significant stat, IMO, is “mortality amenable to health care”. The US is the worst, but 2nd and 3rd are the single-payer systems of Britain and Canada. Wait times kill almost as much as lack of insurance. Single payer systems also tend to have fewer physicians than multi-payer systems, and higher infant mortality rates. > > If the US starts looking better than Canada and Britain after ACA has been around a decade or so, hopefully that will finally put to rest the idea that single payer is a 21st century solution. Sigh. 1. I was saying that “ACA is not single payer”, is… a critique of ACA! I also gave another standard liberal critique of ACA: it doesn’t have a public option. 1. Britain doesn’t have single payer, AKA “Medicare for everyone”. It has NHS: National Health Service. In the UK, the national government owns most hospitals. They do have a parallel private health system though. So again: Single Payer is like Medicare, National Health Service is like the Veterans Administration (which incidentally is fairly cost-effective). 2. If I am reading the French link correctly, France has single payer. More specifically they have, “…universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance,” and not incidentally, “‘close to best overall health care’ in the world,” according to the World Health Organization. 3. The example you are looking for is Switzerland, which unfortunately was not on the chart. I understand that multi-insurance company systems tend to be expensive. The Netherlands wasn’t on the chart either, though my memory is sketchy in that instance. 4. Holy shit, you really are a fuckup aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/387 "2013-09-27T04:34:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I know how to be civil. That seems to be challenging for enough of you that you had to have a forum. Ha! Wrong again! That has to be a record: saying one thing then directly contradicting it in the very next sentence. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/388 "2013-09-27T04:36:52Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I know how to be civil. That seems to be challenging for enough of you that you had to have a forum. > > They have something like this in juvenile reform schools, a place where kids can go and fight under supervision. The better places just don’t need a Pit. The Town Square-The Alley(appears to not be in use but it’s there.) Debate Politics-The Basement Forum US Politics-The Flame Zone You were saying? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/389 "2013-09-27T04:40:05Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > The Town Square-The Alley(appears to not be in use but it’s there.) > Debate Politics-The Basement Forum > US Politics-The Flame Zone > > You were saying? The first isn’t in use and I can’t find the other two, even if I search the page. I’m sure they exist, but apparently they are only visible to assholes. Debatepolitics, which forums is it between? I see that there is a Basement Mod team mentioned, but I don’t actually see, nor can I find with a search, the actual Basement. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/390 "2013-09-27T04:50:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The first isn’t in use and I can’t find the other two, even if I search the page. I’m sure they exist, but apparently they are only visible to assholes. > > Debatepolitics, which forums is it between? I see that there is a Basement Mod team mentioned, but I don’t actually see, nor can I find with a search, the actual Basement. It’s listed on the rules page. It might be inaccesible unless you’re a member. > [@](#): > > 1. The Basement Forum - Anything written in The Basement Forum may not be copied outside The Basement Forum nor may you link to The Basement Forum or you will be banned. Addendum ~ The Vegas Rule. The Flame Zone is at the very bottom of the forum list. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/391 "2013-09-27T04:54:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The first isn’t in use and I can’t find the other two, even if I search the page. I’m sure they exist, but apparently they are only visible to assholes. Wrong AGAIN! **runner pat** is definitely NOT an asshole and he can see them. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/392 "2013-09-27T04:59:10Z")
I logged into USPOL and found that they do have a Woodshed. Established Mar. 2013, so it’s understandable that I might not have noticed. And there’s actually very little flaming going on there, it’s mostly just another debate forum, just with no moderation. Perhaps some Dopers migrated there and wanted to feel at home.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/393 "2013-09-27T05:48:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The first isn’t in use and I can’t find the other two, even if I search the page. I’m sure they exist, but apparently they are only visible to assholes. How very civil of you to say so. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/394 "2013-09-27T05:49:50Z")
Are you suggesting that I might be a hypocrite? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/395 "2013-09-27T06:59:41Z")
That’s one possibility. Or it could be that you didn’t notice the contradictory nature of your statements. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/396 "2013-09-27T08:50:33Z")
It really is quite a marvel to watch. This isn’t just someone sticking to a particular wrong-headed theory and refusing to budge from it, like the current Holocaust denial thread or the Penn State thread. It’s virtually _every statement_ on _any subject_. How is this even possible? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/397 "2013-09-27T09:16:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Except for the very smart analysis of IPAB, which I hadn’t seen the first time around, all of those are criticisms about how it still uses private insurance companies. Guess what the alternative to using private insurance companies is? Single-payer. > > So I’m not hilariously wrong, I’m pleasantly wrong about one poster. Hopefully there will be more such pleasant, smart analyses of the downsides of the health care bill, and hopefully before they become so bleeding obvious that they can’t be denied anymore. Even this is laughably wrong- the thread I linked to includes numerous other criticisms of the ACA, including of the 30 hour rule in the very first post! **Adaher** , the problem isn’t you being conservative, it’s your very, very lazy posting. You just put no effort into trying to be correct. It’s as if you have no problem with being wrong, and so you never verify your statements. Why didn’t you read the thread I linked to if you were going to say something about it? I only linked 3 posts and 1 thread, because I only looked for a few minutes. Most posters don’t hit “Submit” until they’re pretty sure what they posted is correct. That involves a tiny bit of effort, usually. You seem to skip that step. You really shouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/398 "2013-09-27T09:41:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It really is quite a marvel to watch. This isn’t just someone sticking to a particular wrong-headed theory and refusing to budge from it, like the current Holocaust denial thread or the Penn State thread. It’s virtually _every statement_ on _any subject_. How is this even possible? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **Adaher** , the problem isn’t you being conservative, it’s your very, very lazy posting. You just put no effort into trying to be correct. It’s as if you have no problem with being wrong, and so you never verify your statements. Why didn’t you read the thread I linked to if you were going to say something about it? I only linked 3 posts and 1 thread, because I only looked for a few minutes. > > Most posters don’t hit “Submit” until they’re pretty sure what they posted is correct. That involves a tiny bit of effort, usually. You seem to skip that step. You really shouldn’t. To take a more serious approach, I think this answers my question. It is a common failing of people at the farther extremes of the political spectrum to assume that the world works the way they think it ought to work and therefore it’s safe to act and speak accordingly without checking to see if this is actually so. I’m tempted to say this is primarily a conservative mindset but I suspect that we hear it more from the right at the moment simply because the right is more dominated by its extreme element right now, whereas the leftist extremists are largely exiled to the social and political hinterlands and thus don’t get as much airtime. And while we all have our moments of “Well _of course_ the way I see things is accurate and anyone who doesn’t agree is clearly delusional” - which is a very human trait - some posters (not just **adaher** ) make a disturbingly \*\*frequent \*\*habit of doing so without stopping occasionally to consider the opposing view or to verify facts. IMHO **adaher** posts on the basis of how he thinks things ought to be and quickly runs into trouble when they ain’t so. Whether he can change is entirely up to him, but I’m not confident based on responses thus far. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/399 "2013-09-27T10:56:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The first isn’t in use and I can’t find the other two, even if I search the page. I’m sure they exist, but apparently they are only visible to assholes. > > Debatepolitics, which forums is it between? I see that there is a Basement Mod team mentioned, but I don’t actually see, _ **nor can I find with a search** _, the actual Basement. Too amusing. You probably also have difficulty finding your ass with both hands. This stems not from said region being miniscule, but rather a forest/trees conundrum. i.e. You can’t find your ass because you are composed of 100% _ass_. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/400 "2013-09-27T12:18:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **Adaher** , the problem isn’t you being conservative, it’s your very, very lazy posting. You just put no effort into trying to be correct. It’s as if you have no problem with being wrong, and so you never verify your statements. Why didn’t you read the thread I linked to if you were going to say something about it? I only linked 3 posts and 1 thread, because I only looked for a few minutes. > > Most posters don’t hit “Submit” until they’re pretty sure what they posted is correct. That involves a tiny bit of effort, usually. You seem to skip that step. You really shouldn’t. My evaluation of him—what I said before—is that he has a reckless disregard for the truth. He doesn’t care what’s true and he’s willing to say whatever it takes to support his conclusions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=21)