# In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than adaher? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639 "2013-08-31T04:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/41 "2013-08-31T21:30:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Kanicbird? That’s the one. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/42 "2013-08-31T21:54:08Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > Anyone else under the impression he’s a paid shill whose job it is to try and influence public perception of the GOP? Yes. He appeared that way to me. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I can’t disagree too much with the OP, but my nominee would be Sam Stone. He put in a whole lot more time and nearly as much partisan zeal selling the Bush economic program. And Sam made actual arguments. Much of his stuff was straightforward microeconomics, with a little conservative spin. Sam was careful with his facts, and would engage my counter-facts, as opposed to just type something off the top of his head like **adaher**. Sam represented a legitimate perspective and was a contribution to the board, though my eyes would roll at times. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > With all due respect, it’s virtually impossible to be wrong when all you do is ask questions, while stubbornly avoiding making declarative statements. > > What I’m saying is, **ralph124c** has a unique gift. That’s my impression of ralph, frankly. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I dunno about all the history of the SDMB, we used to have **december** and **Razorsharp.** But **adaher** is the current undisputed lineal championship title-holder of wrong. I don’t recall Razor, but december was nowhere near as bad as **adaher** , who drips insincerity. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > No, it was not partisanship that told me that, but one very ugly example was when IIRC he did make a list of items about scientific items leftists get wrong. And in the middle of it there was once again the anti-environmentalist point of accusing environmentalists and liberals of allowing so many deaths caused by Malaria, ‘because DDT was banned thanks to them’. You can’t nail a poster with a single example. And Sam has the problem of being outnumbered as well. Finally, you haven’t shown him repeat the ignorance and it’s hardly unusual for people not to acknowledge error. In fact it’s typical, though not best practice. I admit that **lekatt** gives **adaher** a run for his money. But wait a second, _has anybody every seen them in the same thread at the same time???_ :eek: The truth is out there! ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/43 "2013-08-31T21:54:48Z")
**adaher** is a troll, and a damn good one. No real person could be objectively shown to be so wrong so often without some bit of frustration cracking through, but **adaher** just soldiers on, fighting the good fight and driving everyone in the elections forum crazy. I’m amazed anybody engages with him. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/44 "2013-08-31T21:57:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He’s still in 2nd place behind **lekatt** , but it’s a close 2nd. Nah… **lekatt** is wrong, over and over and over and over… But only about two or three things. I saw God. Yeah? Explain? No, you don’t get it, I saw God. Okay, what was it like? You don’t get it, I saw God I heard you; how do you know it was God? I saw God. At least **adaher** has some range. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/45 "2013-08-31T21:58:39Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > You can’t nail a poster with a single example. And Sam has the problem of being outnumbered as well. No, there were other examples, [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15655180](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15655180) (note post 7, by then Sam was using that “style” on many settings) but this is not his pit. I still count the one I mentioned as 2 as he refused to deal with the very ugly implication of his say so on a different thread/discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/46 "2013-08-31T22:05:30Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I don’t recall Razor, but december was nowhere near as bad as **adaher** , who drips insincerity. No, I’ll give credit to adaher. He’s painfully sincere. He absolutely believes what he’s saying - it’s just that what he believes has no connection to reality. But he presents it all as if it’s an obvious truth. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/47 "2013-08-31T22:30:26Z")
It seems that adaher does want to keep the crown with this recent bomb: > [@The GOP and Race](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gop-and-race/667522/114): > > The numbers say they don’t. Arizona has a LOT of Latino voters, yet has all Republicans elected statewide. You need to reeducate some people, apparently. I hear your side has camps for that. Indeed, even a mod had to tell him to stop with the insults, it is clear that he comes from the school of Glenn Beck, were the liberals are Nazis. What a maroon! Oh, and on the numbers of Latino voters in Arizona he was also wrong… …\*\*\* again\*\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/48 "2013-08-31T22:34:44Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No, there were other examples, > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15655180](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15655180) > (note post 7, by then Sam was using that “style” on many settings) > > but this is not his pit. I still count the one I mentioned as 2 as he refused to deal with the very ugly implication of his say so on a different thread/discussion. There were lots of examples. The Bushes as big NASA guys one. There was a Swift boating one. Sam’s skill was writing bullshit skillfully enough that people would buy it. No doubt, **aduher** is spectacularly, obviously, gloriously stupidly wrong essentially all the time. If he kept it up for a decade he’d be the hands down winner. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/49 "2013-08-31T23:11:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No, there were other examples, > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15655180](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15655180) > (note post 7, by then Sam was using that “style” on many settings) Look at post 4 again. Sam only really went off the rails on the last sentence. The natural variation point is valid with respect to extreme weather events (and misleading with regards temperatures). Let’s go to post #8: > [@Sam Stone](#): > > No, it isn’t. I’m not talking about the ‘16 years of no warming’ meme that is determined by tracking back to a local high point and using that as a starting frame of reference. That is indeed bullshit, but it’s not what I said. I said what I meant, which is that there has been no significant warming due to AGW in the past few years. I used ‘significant’ in the scientific sense, as in “It’s a significant contributor to annual weather events.” In fact, the global warming signal is so small that random fluctuations in annual temperature can easily give the impression that it’s not occurring at all. There have been periods in the past where the global warming ‘signal’ was masked by random fluctuations in annual temperatures that just happened to average in the other direction. Adaher wouldn’t concede that first point, because he doesn’t operate within a framework of reality like Sam does. Sam’s error here is subtler: he’s essentially ramping down the sample size in order to obtain statistical insignificance which is a far less transparent variant of Wrong. Really, these are wholly different species, different phyla really. (I stopped reading the linked thread at that point.) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/50 "2013-08-31T23:37:41Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Look at post 4 again. Sam only really went off the rails on the last sentence. That was the point. But I agree that they are different phyla, one is bullshit concentrated on a few lines surrounded by candy like rhetoric \*, the other is just naked singularity stupid. 🙂 \*I think I remember seeing a historical drama with Moliere were a friend of the playwright advised him to stop being so blunt in his plays. His friend thought that his moral lessons were too direct and angered the audience, “It is better to poison the audience”. “Poison?” said Moliere, “yes, the unpleasant poison has to be surrounded by sweet things so by the time the victim knows what is happening they already succumbed, so take that into account my dear poisoner”. The friend was referring there to the painful truths. Sam’s poison was not the truth unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/51 "2013-09-01T03:29:52Z")
As I have seen in recent days I have to also propose Chief Pedant, Aji de Gallina and FXMastermind. Contenders for the crown at the same levels as adaher. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/52 "2013-09-01T03:36:45Z")
Look, I’ll concede lekatt but I insist that some posters are really missing the sublime Wrongness that is adaher. Some of these other fellows aren’t even pinch hitters - they are in an entirely different country in an entirely different league on an entirely different continent playing an entirely different game. Perhaps Mahjong. Standards people! Standards! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/53 "2013-09-01T03:43:37Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Look, I’ll concede lekatt but I insist that some posters are really missing the sublime Wrongness that is adaher. Some of these other fellows aren’t even pinch hitters - they are in an entirely different country in an entirely different league on an entirely different continent playing an entirely different game. Perhaps Mahjong. > > Standards people! Standards! 🙂 Well, the ones I proposed are notorious for doubleheaders and being wrong on two mayor subjects, Besides the global warming denial, they are “experts in the wrong arts” in Scientific racism, extremist anti-abortion and antinuclear woo-woo respectively. adaher limits only to partisan politics, but I get the vibe that he would be closer to his racist sources. So he may surprise us with a change up. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/54 "2013-09-01T05:25:08Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > **ralph124c**. He’s the only poster who is more wrong. **adaher** makes statements that are informed, but very often wrong. Ralph is a perfect storm of ignorance and error. Now, now, **adaher** maybe mostly wrong. And\*\* ralph124c \*\*may be ignorant and uninformed, but **Jinx** has a lock on the stupid prize. Like the Grand Master, Hall of Fame stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/55 "2013-09-01T05:25:48Z")
I think that turning political discourse into a version of team sports demeans both politics and team sports. The former is ill-defined, created ad-hoc and has little to do with ethical behavior in general, and the latter actually follows rules decided upon prior to the conflict. Adaher, while apparently intelligent, has decided that the political process necessary to the governance of a people should be suborned to the desires of control by a few chosen people who, by pandering to the desire for conflict of their constituency against ‘The Other’ convince that self-same constituency that the ideas of ‘The Other’ are monstrously evil and should be attacked because those ideas are immutable contrary to those held by the convinced people of the constituency. This is not consistent behavior for someone who wishes the best for the most. Mindlessly rallying behind a force for the oppression of some of the people’s will is against the very ideals he should hold dear. It is, in a word, insane. This is sad. Are there no sane bastions of conservatism on this message board who could take up this banner? If we banish adaher to the Gehenna of his chosen perdition, who do you, the sane majority, choose to replace him as a foil for our common onslaught of reason and amusing dialogue? It is a question that should be considered by all who choose to assail our common dialectical foe. I eagerly await responses to this post. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/56 "2013-09-01T05:53:52Z")
Be funny if you eagerly waited so long you’d be like Fry’s dog and get fossilized just waiting there. Yeah, that would be funny. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/57 "2013-09-01T05:54:02Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > Adaher, while apparently intelligent, has decided that the political process necessary to the governance of a people should be suborned to the desires of control by a few chosen people who, by pandering to the desire for conflict of their constituency against ‘The Other’ convince that self-same constituency that the ideas of ‘The Other’ are monstrously evil and should be attacked because those ideas are immutable contrary to those held by the convinced people of the constituency. Again, I’m not getting that sense. There are certainly people who know that they’re lying and craft their lies to gain followers. But I see adaher as one of these followers. He’s not telling lies; he’s swallowing them. He believes the bullshit he’s told by Fox News and right wing radio - and then he comes here to share it with us. He’s not thinking _“I’m going to tell people Obama is a Marxist in order to discredit his political agenda.”_ He’s more like _“Hey, you know what I learned this week? Obama is actually a Marxist. Amazing, huh? I bet the people that voted for him in 2008 wished they had known that.”_ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/58 "2013-09-01T06:10:55Z")
Wait a tick. Did he ever actually say that? The Pew Poll of registered **'luci** s has it at 50% “Sure, he said that, 'course he did!” while 50& say “No fucking way, nobody here is that stupid!”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/59 "2013-09-01T15:12:51Z")
How could I forget the truthers?! Back in GD **georgewk10** is going through all the woo woo out there and the mods are closing on him, as the thread was closed I had one reply for him that I did, so I will put it here for posterity and a warning to all the truthers that still crawl the earth. * * * So a plane did not hit the pentagon on 9/11 huh? Nope, first the light poles that fell in front of the Pentagon demonstrate damage that could only had been made by a wide passenger plane, not a fighter jet and even less a missile. Second, the damage on the building do match the passenger jet that crashed. And finally, witnesses, physical and DNA evidence showed that indeed a passenger plane crashed in the Pentagon. Here is a video with image evidence and computer models that should be obligatory for all truthers to see why all the mountain of evidence shows that passenger flight 77 did crash into the Pentagon: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YVDdjLQkUV8/hqdefault.jpg "911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8) ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/60 "2013-09-01T15:16:44Z")
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