# In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than adaher? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639 "2013-08-31T04:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/81 "2013-09-02T22:19:26Z")
Amateur. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/82 "2013-09-03T03:51:44Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Differing opinions are one thing. But basing your opinions on “facts” that aren’t true is another. > > By listening to RW media, you have a cartoon view of reality, and your opinions are as a result distorted. > > For instance, it is a fact that the vast majority of the climate scientists on Earth think that global warming is happening. It is your opinion that you can see holes in their logic, even though you certainly aren’t educated enough to understand the issues. Perfect example of the bullshit I have to put up with. I have never denied that global warming has happening. The issue is that the sun is responsible for global warming, not humanity. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/83 "2013-09-03T03:55:40Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Perfect example of the bullshit I have to put up with. I have never denied that global warming has happening. The issue is that the sun is responsible for global warming, not humanity. So explain how the sun is getting hotter or otherwise raising the temperature of the Earth. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/84 "2013-09-03T04:43:18Z")
Yea, **Clothahump** , that is the key question, the one **runner pat** is making there; and so far every contrarian source out there just thinks that by saying SUN! that is the evidence, it does not work that way. > **[Sun & climate: moving in opposite directions](https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-advanced.htm)** > > \In the last 35 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. Sun and climate have been going in opposite directions.\ > [@](#): > > A number of studies have used a variety of statistical and physical approaches to determine the contribution of greenhouse gases and other effects to the observed global warming, like Lean & Rind, Foster & Rahmstorf, and Huber & Knutti. And like those studies, they find a relatively small solar contribution to global warming, particularly in recent decades (Figure 8). > > solar attribution > > Figure 8: Solar contribution to global warming according to Meehl et al. 2004 (M04, blue), Stone et al. 2007 (S07, red), Lean and Rind 2008 (LR08, green), and Huber and Knutti 2011 (HK11, purple). > > It’s not the Sun > > As illustrated above, neither direct nor indirect solar influences can explain a significant amount of the global warming over the past century, and certainly not over the past 30 years. As Ray Pierrehumbert said about solar warming, > > > [@](#): > > > > “That’s a coffin with so many nails in it already that the hard part is finding a place to hammer in a new one.” What I see coming from many false skeptical sources is to claim that scientists do not take the sun into account, that is a big lie, and it is way past the time for conservatives to demand better from those sources, or they should be dumped so then we can indeed look at good information on what to base the solutions and adaptations that will be needed for the future. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OJ6Z04VJDco/hqdefault.jpg "27 -- The evidence for climate change WITHOUT computer models or the IPCC") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Z04VJDco) (video) At 5:41 there is a neat explanation on why only by adding the sun activity is that the sensibility of CO2 and other factors is found to match the past temperatures, it is thanks to that research that scientists can tell us that the current warming observed is not caused by the sun and it is reckless to bet that CO2 has “reformed” from the way it behaved in the past. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/85 "2013-09-03T04:53:40Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Perfect example of the bullshit I have to put up with. I have never denied that global warming has happening. The issue is that the sun is responsible for global warming, not humanity. The bullshit you have to put up with appears to be what is coming off your own shovel and landing on you. Try studying shovel technique. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/86 "2013-09-03T05:32:30Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Perfect example of the bullshit I have to put up with. I have never denied that global warming has happening. The issue is that the sun is responsible for global warming, not humanity. The issue is that you just repeated nonsense misinformation while trying to defend yourself from the accusation that you believe nonsense misinformation. You’re not educated. You teach people to hit each other with their feet. Let the climate scientists work out the hard stuff, okay? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/87 "2013-09-03T05:43:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Perfect example of the bullshit I have to put up with. I have never denied that global warming has happening. The issue is that the sun is responsible for global warming, not humanity. You cannot possibly be this fucking stupid. It’s just not possible. You’re a fucking liar, and the saddest fact is that you lie to yourself and swallow it like a hot load of right wing jizz and lick you lips with ecstasy at the taste of the creamy, tasty lie. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/88 "2013-09-03T11:12:45Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > You cannot possibly be this fucking stupid. It’s just not possible. Chief Pedant shows that it is possible to reach those levels: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16630471&postcount=147](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16630471&postcount=147) You see, mods do recommend us to take personal matters to the pit, I followed the recommendation. Chief Pedant, besides his climate chance denial and scientific racism, now goes for new horizons like trolling and acting stupid and “forgetting” what a mod told him in the recent past. Then copying and pasting the reply I made for him at the pit into a post of his in Great Debates. What a maroon! ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/89 "2013-09-03T13:08:03Z")
Do the multiple Mabus socks count? But he’s more pathetic and disturbed, so maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/90 "2013-09-03T13:44:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And I’m I’m rarely wrong in the political threads. It’s simply a difference of opinion, but most people would rather say I’m wrong rather than we disagree. See, if you were smart you’d stay far away from a thread with _“has anyone ever been wrong about more things…”_ in the title. The fact that you didn’t kind of proves this discussion should include you. Especially when you chime in with _“It’s the sun!”_ and, my new touchstone for identifying the self-deluded: _ **“I’m rarely wrong…”** _ WHY would you come in here at all, let alone saying something like that? Come on, really, what did you think would happen? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/91 "2013-09-03T15:06:41Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > You cannot possibly be this fucking stupid. It’s just not possible. > You’re a fucking liar, and the saddest fact is that you lie to yourself and swallow it like a hot load of right wing jizz and lick you lips with ecstasy at the taste of the creamy, tasty lie. He’s jealous that the new guy is getting all the attention. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/92 "2013-09-03T16:09:45Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > You don’t get it. **Susanann** _lived_ through the 70s - she doesn’t need some [snot nosed jack](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13038557&postcount=52) posted on an internet site telling her pants were legal then. > > (Link is to my personal favorite **Susanann** post of all time.) Well, given that the poor woman had all her [great ideas stolen from her by Isaac Asimov](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14030231&postcount=3), I might be able to understand her confusion on this matter. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/93 "2013-09-03T16:30:03Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And I’m I’m rarely wrong in the political threads. It’s simply a difference of opinion, but most people would rather say I’m wrong rather than we disagree. We infer your wrongness from, among other things, your consistent and cowardly failure to offer any actual arguments to back your assertions. Drive-by posts are presumptively wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/94 "2013-09-03T16:32:06Z")
BTW, why is everyone referring to **Sam Stone** in the past tense? Did he die or, worse, get banned? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/95 "2013-09-03T16:48:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > BTW, why is everyone referring to **Sam Stone** in the past tense? Did he die or, worse, get banned? IIUC he is still around, but does not participate much because we are such meanies when we point at the howlers that he was pushing in the past. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/96 "2013-09-03T16:51:08Z")
Canadian. Gethering nuts and berries for the season of hibernation. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/97 "2013-09-03T17:13:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > BTW, why is everyone referring to **Sam Stone** in the past tense? Did he die or, worse, get banned? For my money, it is apparently just wishful thinking. A search says he’s been more active than I realized. One of last things of his that came to my mind was this Mary Catherine Gallagher-esque “my economic ideas are best summed up by this piece of glurge” OP: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15421631&postcount=1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15421631&postcount=1) Which was well and truly savaged in a largely bipartisan matter. Turns out that was nearly 500 posts ago! ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/98 "2013-09-03T18:31:45Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Amateur. Sometimes I make a post and I think “actually, that was a bit mean” or “that was incredibly stupid” or “I’ve crossed a line there”. I keep my eye on the pit, but I never see my name:( ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/99 "2013-09-03T18:50:12Z")
> [@Asympotically\_fat](#): > > Sometimes I make a post and I think “actually, that was a bit mean” or “that was incredibly stupid” or “I’ve crossed a line there”. I keep my eye on the pit, but I never see my name:( This thread is about the intensity of these people’s wrongness, not about being mean. Go demand attention somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/100 "2013-09-03T19:04:24Z")
> [@Asympotically\_fat](#): > > Sometimes I make a post and I think “actually, that was a bit mean” or “that was incredibly stupid” or “I’ve crossed a line there”. I keep my eye on the pit, but I never see my name:( Yea I’ve never had a pit thread either, although that link EmilyG posted revealed someone on the African herbivore board really has a hair up their butt about me.😛 If you want to know the real trick to getting pitted…come closer… You need to post absurdly partisan political whargarbal, that shit is pit bait. Try something like “Does Obama have muslim genes? Right wing blogger says yes!”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=6)