# In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than adaher? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639 "2013-08-31T04:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/101 "2013-09-03T19:11:54Z")
Thanks for the kind words, folks, you are a great fan club! Seriously though, I know I’m wrong a lot, I know I’m not the smartest poster here, but I also think I have insights many of you haven’t heard or dealt with before, especially the huge number of you who live inside the liberal bubble. I serve a purpose here, at least until better Tea Party advocates come along. I respect a lot of the conservative voices here on this board, but most of the best ones are pretty moderate. And believe it or not, I am not all that partisan. I just have a personal beef with Barack Obama for tearing down a good man and not being the different kind of politician he promised to be. On that, I’m clearly not wrong. If Clinton is elected in 2016, you’ll find me to be far less cantankerous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/102 "2013-09-03T19:39:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > … I serve a purpose here, at least until better Tea Party advocates come along. … Or until another such comes along. You are the only confessed Tea Party guy here, far as I know. Who’s the other one? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/103 "2013-09-03T19:47:43Z")
A basic understanding of, and respect for, simple factuality puts one “inside the liberal bubble”, does it? 😃 Yes, you do serve a purpose here, as you claim. It just isn’t quite the purpose you think you’re serving. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/104 "2013-09-03T20:14:04Z")
The reason I say “inside the liberal bubble” is because some of you don’t seem familiar with a lot of the facts that conservatives live and breath, even for the purpose of just debunking them. and sure, a lot of the things conservatives believe are wrong, but we only find out they are wrong by talking to people who have an interest in debunking them. We see the same thing on the left, except a lot of those facts go unchallenged because everyone wants to believe them and many of you aren’t willing to test the merits of your arguments against opposition. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/105 "2013-09-03T20:17:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The reason I say “inside the liberal bubble” is because some of you don’t seem familiar with a lot of the facts that conservatives live and breath, even for the purpose of just debunking them. _That’s because they aren’t facts_. That’s what debunking _shows_. You don’t even know what the word “fact” even means, do you? > [@](#): > > We see the same thing on the left, except a lot of those facts go unchallenged because everyone wants to believe them and many of you aren’t willing to test the merits of your arguments against opposition. Okay, what “belief commonly held to be fact” by the people you define as liberals have you \*ever \*debunked? Or know of having been debunked? Just tell us your favorite example, that’ll be enough. One. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/106 "2013-09-03T20:25:58Z")
Daniel Patrick Moynihan - “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/107 "2013-09-03T20:29:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Thanks for the kind words, folks, you are a great fan club! > > Seriously though, I know I’m wrong a lot, I know I’m not the smartest poster here, but I also think I have insights many of you haven’t heard or dealt with before, especially the huge number of you who live inside the liberal bubble. I serve a purpose here, at least until better Tea Party advocates come along. I respect a lot of the conservative voices here on this board, but most of the best ones are pretty moderate. There is no liberal bubble. What you are describing is called “reality”. > [@adaher](#): > > The reason I say “inside the liberal bubble” is because some of you don’t seem familiar with a lot of the facts that conservatives live and breath, even for the purpose of just debunking them. and sure, a lot of the things conservatives believe are wrong, but we only find out they are wrong by talking to people who have an interest in debunking them. We see the same thing on the left, except a lot of those facts go unchallenged because everyone wants to believe them and many of you aren’t willing to test the merits of your arguments against opposition. There is no facts, that’s why we haven’t heard about them. You can’t expect sane people to know what goes on in the delusions of madmen. By all means, post these arguments, but do so inquisitively, not assertively, because they are most likely wrong ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/108 "2013-09-03T20:30:27Z")
THat’s your problem. You are making an argument that liberals are so never wrong that I won’t even be able to think of one example, and conservatives are so never right, that virtually everything conservatives know is wrong. Such a belief system is so absurd on its face that it doesn’t even require debunking, but here’s one example off the top of my head: government spending provides stimulus. Here’s another: poverty causes crime. The first has no empirical evidence to support it, only theory, and the second is just demonstrably and provably wrong. The most hilarious part about it is that now that we know lead was a major cause of crime, liberals now find it PC to say things that conservatives said for years, but which were “racist”: criminals tend to be dull-witted and lack impulse control. But that’s exactly what lead exposure did to people! It made them stupid and less likely to control their baser impulses! but now it’s okay to say it because the lead did it. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/109 "2013-09-03T20:33:39Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > There is no liberal bubble. What you are describing is called “reality”. And thus you prove the point. Do you even realize how absurd it would be for an ideology that enjoys the support of twice as many people as your ideology to just be wrong and stupid in every facet, whereas your ideology has all the answers? I know conservatism has been wrong about a lot of things. It’s also been right about a lot of things Liberalism is also wrong a lot, and right about a lot. If this argument was already settled, the ideologies wouldn’t still be so successful whereas many others have fallen on history’s ash heap, like socialism and monarchism. Conservatism can be wrong about individual issues, but it cannot just be wrong in general. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/110 "2013-09-03T20:44:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And thus you prove the point. Do you even realize how absurd it would be for an ideology that enjoys the support of twice as many people as your ideology HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Dude, you so crazy! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/111 "2013-09-03T20:47:02Z")
It’s true. The Democratic Party, as lefties often complain, is not a left-wing party, because there are more moderates in the party than liberals. Liberalism is very unpopular. I guess liberals can comfort themselves that being right is what makes them so unpopular, but I could be that delusional too if I wanted to be. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/112 "2013-09-03T20:50:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > THat’s your problem. You are making an argument that liberals are so never wrong that I won’t even be able to think of one example, and conservatives are so never right, that virtually everything conservatives know is wrong. > > Such a belief system is so absurd on its face that it doesn’t even require debunking, but here’s one example off the top of my head: government spending provides stimulus. Here’s another: poverty causes crime. The first has no empirical evidence to support it, only theory, and the second is just demonstrably and provably wrong. The most hilarious part about it is that now that we know lead was a major cause of crime, liberals now find it PC to say things that conservatives said for years, but which were “racist”: criminals tend to be dull-witted and lack impulse control. But that’s exactly what lead exposure did to people! It made them stupid and less likely to control their baser impulses! but now it’s okay to say it because the lead did it. So you’re blaming lead paint for your wrongness? Bless your heart… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/113 "2013-09-03T20:55:00Z")
I think adaher wins the thread. He’s posted the best evidence in support of the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/114 "2013-09-03T20:55:42Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > You don’t get it. **Susanann** _lived_ through the 70s - she doesn’t need some [snot nosed jack](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13038557&postcount=52) posted on an internet site telling her pants were legal then. > > (Link is to my personal favorite **Susanann** post of all time.) > [@JohnT](#): > > Well, given that the poor woman had all her [great ideas stolen from her by Isaac Asimov](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14030231&postcount=3), I might be able to understand her confusion on this matter. 😉 As long as we’re adding our favorites: > [@](#): > > That would be illegal to give a false name and false telephone number. Can you guess what was she referring to - Customs? Border Patrol? Police officer? Nope - [Pizza Hut](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14004258&postcount=44). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/115 "2013-09-03T21:00:54Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > Daniel Patrick Moynihan - “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Or, as my signature says… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/116 "2013-09-03T21:31:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s true. The Democratic Party, as lefties often complain, is not a left-wing party, because there are more moderates in the party than liberals. And yet you’re defining anyone who has the temerity to bring up some of those pesky “facts” things as a “liberal”. Here’s a hint: It _isn’t_ about political opinion here. It’s about reality vs. delusion. It’s about fact vs. bullshit. It’s about fact vs. ignorance. You persist in taking the second of those in every single fucking topic. How’s the Romney Administration workin’ out for ya so far, huh? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/117 "2013-09-03T21:37:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Or until another such comes along. You are the only confessed Tea Party guy here, far as I know. Who’s the other one? **Oakminster,** I think. Or maybe **WillFarnaby,** but he leans more Libertarian. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/118 "2013-09-03T21:40:26Z")
I thought we were to hear about some major liberal idea that can be conclusively proven to be false. Instead, I hear about lead paint and the crime rate. Whether or not the crime rate stays the same, decreases, or bursts into a nationwide conflagration of savagery, removing lead from paint is a good idea. It is bad enough when people choose to be retarded, there is no reason to make it inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/119 "2013-09-03T21:41:14Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > You can’t expect sane people to know what goes on in the delusions of madmen. Of course you can. We keep track [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=511831&page=211). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639/120 "2013-09-03T21:44:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > **Oakminster,** I think. Or maybe **WillFarnaby,** but he leans more Libertarian. **Oakie**? Nah, a “sour pickle up the butt” Republican, not a “pants on fire”. More like he’s grumpy than he’s nuts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-history-of-the-sdmb-has-anyone-ever-been-wrong-about-more-things-than-adaher/667639.md?page=7)