# In the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, how powerful were wonder woman, cyborg, & the flash? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 17, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370 "2018-05-17T21:27:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/21 "2018-05-18T02:43:50Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Barry has a line that goes: “I’m not a warrior. I just run up behind people and push them.” It always seemed to me that, in the pre-crisis days, Barry was the League’s second most powerful member. Of course, I mean the really experienced version who was the master of untold number of speed tricks. A pissed-off Barry Allen was nobody to mess with unless you were from Krypton. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/22 "2018-05-18T04:19:30Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > She took a beating from a completely out of control Superman and basically just shrugged it off. Anyone able to do that is at least near or at his level. What she doesn’t have is the superspeed he also has on top of the toughness and strength. Yeah. She also does not have an Achille’s Heel like Superman does in kryptonite. Also, while she does not have superspeed to put her in contention with the likes of Flash she is quite fast (we see that when she deflects machine gun bullets with apparent ease). ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/23 "2018-05-18T04:29:14Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Funny, the only time I can recall there being unintentional environmental effects from Superman moving at high speed was in _Superman Family_ #217 (April 1982) where the Earth-2 Superman (Kal-L, married to Lois Lane) has lost a significant amount of his power (more or less returning him to his original 1938 levels) and engages in a rigorous training regimen to restore them. He runs in a circle around Lois, who is timing him with a watch, and she cringes when he creates a sonic boom: > > Superman: Sorry! Didn’t know I’d improved that much! > Lois: Better start using that vibration-stunt The Flash taught you to keep from making sonic booms! > > She is presumably referring to Jay Garrick, so in the Earth-2 universe, at least, Superman could avoid causing catastrophic damage even without access to the speed force, which was not yet established when this story was published. I don’t think Superman ever moved near fast enough to do much more than produce a sonic boom till much later in the series. For really serious bad effects Superman would need to be moving at ludicrous speeds which doesn’t come till much more recently (I think). In the first Superman movie when he flies fast enough to go back in time he does so in space. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/24 "2018-05-18T04:38:39Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I don’t think Superman ever moved near fast enough to do much more than produce a sonic boom till much later in the series. For really serious bad effects Superman would need to be moving at ludicrous speeds which doesn’t come till much more recently (I think). > > In the first Superman movie when he flies fast enough to go back in time he does so in space. Comic-book Superman was flying through time under his own power as early as 1947, in _Superman_ #48. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/25 "2018-05-18T04:42:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Comic-book Superman was flying through time under his own power as early as 1947, in _Superman_ #48. Ok. It remains that the Speed Force has been used by the writers to protect the world from the effects of Flash moving at ludicrous speeds. Clearly the effects of someone (or thing) moving that fast in an atmosphere is something they have considered and saw fit to write in a way to deal with it. This is also good, I think, since it gives Flash an edge in the speed department that Superman does not have. It would make sense for Flash, who specializes in one super power with access to the Speed Force, to be better at that power than Superman who has a near plot breaking abundance of superpowers. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/26 "2018-05-18T04:48:51Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Yeah. She also does not have an Achille’s Heel like Superman does in kryptonite. > > Also, while she does not have superspeed to put her in contention with the likes of Flash she is quite fast (we see that when she deflects machine gun bullets with apparent ease). I forgot to add… Wonder Woman is a better fighter than Superman. Superman relies on his powers in a fight. Wonder Woman is a trained fighter. Helps even things up when she faces Superman’s somewhat superior superpowers. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/27 "2018-05-18T05:57:43Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > (Has anybody other than John Byrne ever pointed out that superman’s immunity to the wedge affect is one of his powers, and possibly the most important one?) What is the “wedge effect”? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/28 "2018-05-18T06:02:56Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > What is the “wedge effect”? I figured it had something to do with Wonder Woman’s costume. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/29 "2018-05-18T07:05:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I figured it had something to do with Wonder Woman’s costume. I can go with this. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/30 "2018-05-18T12:20:46Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I both read the FLASHPOINT mini series and watched the animated movie before my eyes went south. While I enjoyed both, I don’t think either is a great choice for a big-budget movie. that story has too much continuity snarl in it. And eliminating the complexity would also eliminate the fun things about it. > > But I have loved aqua man for years. The only thing that makes me not want an aqua man movie is that I would know more be able to appreciate it than I was wonder woman. Flashpoint is supposed to be the “solo” movie for the Flash. They might as well capitalize on his strong showing in JL while it’s still relatively fresh in people’s minds. ---
**Author:** ![Gretchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8edcca/32.png) [@Gretchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gretchion)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370/31 "2018-05-18T13:58:28Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > For really serious bad effects Superman would need to be moving at **ludicrous speeds** which doesn’t come till much more recently (I think). Sir, hadn’t you better buckle up? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-justice-league-movie-how-powerful-were-wonder-woman-cyborg-the-flash/814370.md?page=1)