# In the Marvel films, is Steve Rogers a virgin (so far)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 24, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484 "2014-03-24T23:10:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/61 "2014-03-27T21:01:08Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > He addressed Black Widow as “ma’am,” so old-fashioned notions of politeness and chivalry are definitely ingrained in him. Even if he found the Widow totally hot, he’d think it rude and improper to hint at it, let alone say it. I address women as “ma’am” or “miss” rather habitually out of courtesy. I also have sex with them. These are not mutually exclusive. FWIW, I don’t think social mores have changed QUITE as much as some posters here might think. It’s not at all unlikely that Cap had sex with one or more ladies during WWII - especially given the high levels of testosterone that his physique would suggest - and it’s not unlikely that he’s had sex with women since the thaw. Steve Rogers is a gentleman; that does not automatically make him a virgin. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/62 "2014-03-27T21:28:29Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > … especially given the high levels of testosterone that his physique would suggest … Isn’t his physique a result of the super-soldier serum and vita-rays? Is there any canonical explanation for what the serum actually did to him? ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/63 "2014-03-27T21:34:33Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yes, that’s her. There’s a whole deleted sequence of her in the coffee shop during the invasion, escaping, and finding her way into the building where the Chitauri toss a grenade in. But all we see of her in the final movie is a brief flash when Cap saves the group, and her being interviewed on the news and thanking the Avengers. It’s interesting how deleted scenes make little details like this make more sense. I always wondered why they seemed to linger on that one woman’s face in that scene, and then show her again on the news. (Another similar one I noticed is in Avatar. In the theatrical release, there’s a scene where Jake-as-Na’vi is flying his banshee, and right after the cut he says “I was a stone-cold aerial hunter,” which seems to come from nowhere. Except when you watch the extended version, the scene immediately preceding that shows him actually hunting from the air.) ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/64 "2014-03-27T22:18:29Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > … and it’s not unlikely that he’s had sex with women since the thaw. Steve Rogers is a gentleman; that does not automatically make him a virgin. One more thought, since I’m on a roll: I think the trailers for the _Winter Soldier_ might contradict this. Widow tells him that some girl in some other department would say yes if she asked him, and he replies that that’s why he doesn’t. It’s not ironclad in any way, but suggests that he’s reluctant to even start any romantic relationships. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/65 "2014-03-27T22:56:39Z")
Wiki has a nice little piece on Ashley, with some indications of the future: _In 2012, she appeared in The Avengers (also directed by Whedon) as a waitress who is saved by Captain America. Though this was a minor role, the Blu-ray edition of The Avengers contains some deleted scenes that expand her role in the movie, and further her interactions with Captain America.[1] Her “small-but-pivotal role” may lead to her returning in future movies as a friend or love interest for Captain America.[2] The characters name ‘Beth’ may be a reference to the supporting character Golden Girl from the Captain America comics._ Side note: Did you know that she played Chrissy Seaver in the last two seasons of _Growing Pains?_ ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/66 "2014-03-28T00:41:11Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > And there’s a deleted scene in “The Avengers” that shows he’s still having trouble with women in the present day. He’s at a coffee shop and a waitress (who he calls “Ma’am”) starts flirting with him. > [@FlyingDragonFan](#): > > She was the woman prominently [featured](http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ashley-johnson-avengers.jpg)in the scene where a couple Chitauri bust into a building with a bomb, and Cap takes them out before being blown out the window, right? > [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yes, that’s her. There’s a whole deleted sequence of her in the coffee shop during the invasion, escaping, and finding her way into the building where the Chitauri toss a grenade in. Significantly, she sees Steve’s face when the Chitauri dude pulls back the Captain America mask (cowl?). Viewed with the earlier coffee shop scene in context, the cut to her close-up reaction shot definitely implies recognition. “Hey! Captain America is that guy who I waited on at the coffee shop!” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/67 "2014-03-28T02:28:00Z")
The whole problem goes back to Comics Code Authority days, in which any hint of sex was absolutely verboten; yet, at the same time, no one wanted to suggest that any of the red-blooded American he-men comic heroes weren’t… _normal_ with regards to women. The Silver Age Superman/Superboy in particular danced around this issue. The default was usually to give the hero a girlfriend with whom we never see anything untoward happen. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/68 "2014-03-28T04:39:12Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The whole problem goes back to Comics Code Authority days, in which any hint of sex was absolutely verboten; yet, at the same time, no one wanted to suggest that any of the red-blooded American he-men comic heroes weren’t… _normal_ with regards to women. The Silver Age Superman/Superboy in particular danced around this issue. The default was usually to give the hero a girlfriend with whom we never see anything untoward happen. Right, which sometimes lead to hilariously suggestive stuff like Steranko’s infamous [holstered pistol frame](http://i.imgur.com/Xw1ljU7.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484/69 "2014-03-28T17:39:34Z")
> [@Kizarvexius](#): > > My read on it: virgin. > > This is a guy who practically begged to get pummelled every day of his adolescence just for the satisfaction of seeing the surprise on the bully’s face when he keeps. Getting. Up. For. More. > > In anybody else, this might have been the behavior pattern of a moron, a masochist, a madman, or a simple attention whore. But no. This is Steve Rogers, a man with a burning passion to do the Right Thing, even if it’s physically impossible. IOW, he has an \*\*epic \*\*degree of moral courage. > > Even before his metamorphosis, you can easily picture the guy ironing his boxers at 3 A.M. because it’s what America expects. Afterwards…extra starch. No floozy will ever stand a chance of breaking through _that_. > > He’s saving himself for the right partner, and the right time. Which will be his wedding night. _Excellent_ post! 🆒 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-marvel-films-is-steve-rogers-a-virgin-so-far/684484.md?page=3)