# In the same vain or vein? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 1, 2003, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483 "2003-07-01T01:52:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/41 "2013-10-05T17:24:30Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Triple zombie! Where’s **Chefguy**? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/42 "2013-10-06T21:36:04Z")
> [@ZenBeam](#): > > Where’s **Chefguy**? Why aorta. . . ---
**Author:** ![born\_too\_late](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba9def/32.png) [@born\_too\_late](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/born_too_late)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/43 "2013-10-08T14:17:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Why aorta. . . You really should of. It really greats on my nerves when people have problems with homophones. ---
**Author:** ![Veronica\_Camelbile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f08c70/32.png) [@Veronica\_Camelbile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Veronica_Camelbile)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/44 "2015-08-11T17:04:31Z")
I have thought that this may have been a term used regarding enslaved African men. And thus, it has morphed into “butt naked” attempting to be sensitive to that possibility (political correctness . . . just in case). It appears that the male deer is what most people are thinking of (not perhaps first on the mind of city folk) – so I’d say I prefer “buck naked” and the latter is just a new use or, as mentioned, an attempt to not offend. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/45 "2015-08-11T18:08:55Z")
A zombie thread about naked zombies! While “buck” historically can mean a black man, it has dozens of other meanings. _The Historical Dictionary of American Slang_ lists “buck-bathing” with the derivation “buck (naked) + bathing”. So “buck” by itself can mean naked which seems the obvious derivation of “buck naked”. –Mark ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/46 "2015-08-11T18:19:25Z")
> [@Veronica\_Camelbile](#): > > I have thought that this may have been a term used regarding **enslaved African men**. And thus, it has morphed into “butt naked” attempting to be sensitive to that possibility (political correctness . . . just in case). It appears that the male deer is what most people are thinking of (not perhaps first on the mind of city folk) – so I’d say I prefer “buck naked” and the latter is just a new use or, as mentioned, an attempt to not offend. My bold. Yes, this is the origin of the phrase “buck naked,” i.e., standing naked and vulnerable on the auction block (as in “black buck”). Sad, not politically correct, but true. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/47 "2015-08-11T18:21:54Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > My bold. > Yes, this is the origin of the phrase “buck naked,” i.e., standing naked and vulnerable on the auction block (as in “black buck”). Sad, not politically correct, but true. Citation? –Mark ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/48 "2015-08-11T18:27:27Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yes, this is the origin of the phrase “buck naked,” i.e., standing naked and vulnerable on the auction block (as in “black buck”). Sad, not politically correct, but true. Do you have a cite for this? All I’ve been able to find online are various unsubstantiated theories as to the origin of the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/49 "2015-08-11T18:32:12Z")
It is quite common to see a metal rooster and the four directional letters all in the same vane. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/50 "2015-08-11T19:36:25Z")
Who ever heard of a vain zombie? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/51 "2015-08-11T21:20:21Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > It is quite common to see a metal rooster and the four directional letters all in the same vane. A nekkid rooster? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/52 "2015-08-11T23:27:19Z")
So the Washington Bucks as a replacement for Washington Redskins is out? ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/53 "2015-08-12T00:13:45Z")
A four time zombie. Wow, any idea if this is a record? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/54 "2015-08-12T00:47:27Z")
I have seen several different vegetables in the same vegan. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483/55 "2015-08-12T00:48:32Z")
\*In the same vain or vein? \* Are you joking? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-same-vain-or-vein/185483.md?page=2)