# In USA, is "white" just codeword for anyone of European ancestry? Because I thought.. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011 "2018-12-31T23:07:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/61 "2019-01-03T00:48:32Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Pray tell, what is “Jewish treatment?” I’ve been Jewish for 67 years and have no idea? Do people speak Yiddish to him? Assume he’s smart? Assume he’s cheap? I dunno. I know a person who seems to only have negative thoughts about Jews and isn’t really shy about sharing these thoughts behind closed doors. I can very easily imagine this person treating my coworker in a different way than he treats someone else. But I suspect that most people, not being that bigoted, would treat him the same as anyone else. As someone who pings as “some kind of Hispanic” under a certain light, I sometimes worry about getting “Hispanic treatment” or “immigrant treatment”. I don’t know what these kind of “treatments” entail, but I know they are different than “white treatment” and even “African American treatment”. I don’t have to know what the treatment entails to know that the treatment is sometimes really awful. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/62 "2019-01-03T01:59:02Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Wut? > > _Race_ is a protected class, not “minority status”. Since whites belong to a racial group they are not exempt from rights under the law. > > [EEO Terminology | National Archives](https://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html) OK, I think this is a distinction without substance regarding the comment I was posting a response to. It goes beyond just being a protected class when you get into affirmitive action, government hiring, federal funding for higher education etc. The point is is that to say someone is somehow a nazi for thinking about someone’s race is a little odd given the context of American society. I think other places in the world might be different though. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/63 "2019-01-03T02:46:29Z")
I apologize if anyone took offence at my comment, excepting racists/Nazis of course. The concept of a Protected Class in the link above is quite clear that this means it is illegal to discriminate against employees on the basis of any of a number of attributes, including sex, age, religion, color, national origin, race [NB this term is deliberately not defined], and physical or mental handicaps; this is a positive thing. Yet, as everyone knows, an explicitly Nazi conceit (though not unique or original to them) was a pseudo-scientific and pseudo-philosophical division of humans into a Master Race and, you know, everybody else. Not that racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia and the like were new ideas, but the key is that you were literally classified as “German” or not, as in on real, official documents. So think what it would sound like if American employment law or federal funding attempted to formalize racial categories, if some computer database had a list of who was “white” and/or had some kind of European ancestry. This is the polar opposite of the actual law, which states that every American is a member of a protected class and is entitled to an equal opportunity. We should all hope that the official in charge of reviewing our grant proposal or job application is not casually “thinking about race”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/64 "2019-01-03T03:18:16Z")
A classic and frequently-cited example of the subjectivity and mutability of the racial classification “white” is [Benjamin Franklin’s “Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, Etc.”](http://www.columbia.edu/~lmg21/ash3002y/earlyac99/documents/observations.html), which lumps not only southern Europeans but Russians and Swedes into the “non-white” category: > [@](#): > > […] The Negroes brought into the English Sugar Islands, have greatly diminish’d the Whites there […] The Northern Colonies having few Slaves increase in Whites […] > > […] the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/65 "2019-01-03T04:10:04Z")
My wife’s family is of Lebanese descent. My MIL in particular looks “ethnic”, as people say, and often gets asked about her heritage. They all pretty much identify as white though. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/66 "2019-01-03T08:42:26Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > BTW, many Israelis are descended from European immigrants and refugees, and so are pretty much like us Americans who are descended from European immigrants. So I don’t get this Middle Eastern bit. Sure, that’s where we originally came from, with our blood no doubt mixed with that of good Christian rapists over the past 2000 years. As people here have said, race is a matter of politics. If Israeli Jews are white, that means they’re European. If they’re European, that means they’re colonialists. If they’re colonialists, that means they don’t belong in the Middle East. If they don’t belong in Middle East, then Israel has no right to exist. Hence, Israeli Jews are Middle Eastern\*. Not for nothing do Israelis commonly refer to Arabs as “the cousins” - sure, it’s often sarcastic, but it still acknowledges that they’re like us, and we’re like them. - Plus, of course, the Europeans are the people who spend 2000 years trying to kill us. There’s a reason why Israelis will say “Moroccan Jew” or American Jew", but never “German Jew.” ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/67 "2019-01-03T13:34:12Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > A classic and frequently-cited example of the subjectivity and mutability of the racial classification “white” is [Benjamin Franklin’s “Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, Etc.”](http://www.columbia.edu/~lmg21/ash3002y/earlyac99/documents/observations.html), which lumps not only southern Europeans but Russians and Swedes into the “non-white” category: “White” is no more identical to European ancestry than “short” is to Bolivian ancestry or “swarthy” to Swedish ancestry. As for people who use these as special codewords, who no doubt exist, I still maintain they represent the racist camp. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/68 "2019-01-03T16:03:08Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I think it’s more important whether white people treat you as white after they find out your ethnicity. If they see you as “other” once you reveal your ancestry, then a non-white identity does make some sense. I lost a friend once when she said something about gypsies being dirty thieving liars and I said I was approximately 1/8th Roma. She really couldn’t handle it (she was Irish - as in born and raised). But I’m a pretty darn white person - I’m just a tiny bit non-white around the edges 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/69 "2019-01-03T16:54:06Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I think it’s more important whether white people treat you as white after they find out your ethnicity. If they see you as “other” once you reveal your ancestry, then a non-white identity does make some sense. This is me, I look white and have a white last name. Once certain people find out that I am half Mexican they make a point of telling other white people that right away when I’m introduced. They want them to know that a non-white person is part of the conversation. One guy even attempted to tag me with a racist nickname. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/70 "2019-01-03T17:23:22Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > “White” is no more identical to European ancestry than “short” is to Bolivian ancestry or “swarthy” to Swedish ancestry. As for people who use these as special codewords, who no doubt exist, I still maintain they represent the racist camp. To add to this. Technically “White” is only applicable to race realism discussions or their ongoing impacts. As you noted it is arbitrary and changes based on context. The US actually lost a court case denying citizenship to Finnish people in 1908, and the Nordisists of the early 1900’s in the US and Germany had a far more fine definition of what was required to be the “master race”. The current most reliable historical information we have seems to relate the definition to a post Bacon’s Rebellion world where associating poor working class individuals to the land owning classes was meant as a method to fracture a unified group of poor folk from attempting to rise up against the land owners. Basically throw the other groups under the bus by getting poor “whites” to associate with the land owners rather than with the slaves to prevent those groups from joining together in rebellion while still paying lip service to equality seems to have been the goal. Basically fracturing the potential power base of the working class. Obviously through the years the definition changes based on political will, including and excluding groups based on goals, needs, and/or fears of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/71 "2019-01-03T19:05:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > As people here have said, race is a matter of politics. > > If Israeli Jews are white, that means they’re European. If they’re European, that means they’re colonialists. If they’re colonialists, that means they don’t belong in the Middle East. If they don’t belong in Middle East, then Israel has no right to exist. > > Hence, Israeli Jews are Middle Eastern\*. Not for nothing do Israelis commonly refer to Arabs as “the cousins” - sure, it’s often sarcastic, but it still acknowledges that they’re like us, and we’re like them. > > - Plus, of course, the Europeans are the people who spend 2000 years trying to kill us. There’s a reason why Israelis will say “Moroccan Jew” or American Jew", but never “German Jew.” In this context, Middle Eastern seemed to be used as a tag for ethnicity, not location, in the way Europeans coming to the US soon became Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/72 "2019-01-03T21:31:22Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > In the mid 19th century, Irish were considered non-white. Later than designation switched to Italians. Then Jews. The British are said to have a saying, “The Wogs start at Calais.” I think Wog and non-white are really the same thing. Very often in the US, “white” doesn’t refer to “caucasian” or “European” ancestry, or to having certain looks, but to “socially acceptable as what used to be called ‘WASP’”. That leaves out Jews, a lot of Southern Europeans (traditionally Catholic or Orthodox), and many other people who would be considered “white” in other countries. There’s Americans who consider Cameron Diaz not-white once they discover that Díaz is a Spanish patronymic inherited from her Cuban Dad (I’ve met a few). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/73 "2019-01-03T21:39:00Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > According to census categories, Middle Easterners are Caucasian, (…) > > The whole notion of “brown people” in first place gained popular currency (if not entirely invented) after 9/11, or at least after the subsequent invasion of Iraq, when opponents of George W Bush wanted to tar him with a single “racism” brush to encompass Arabs and African-Americans The expression is older than that and originally referred to Hispanics. It’s a twist on the American notion that Hispanic = mestizo. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/74 "2019-01-03T22:19:02Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Very often in the US, “white” doesn’t refer to “caucasian” or “European” ancestry, or to having certain looks, but to “socially acceptable as what used to be called ‘WASP’”. That leaves out Jews, a lot of Southern Europeans (traditionally Catholic or Orthodox), and many other people who would be considered “white” in other countries. Very often? I don’t know about that. WASP (which I view as being largely a term from my parents’ generation - I rarely hear this term from thirties or millennials) has connotations of meaning “very white without a trace of any exoticism” and also usually carries an implication of being stuffy and boring. But other than some Neo-Nazis (and some Jews too) who claim that Jews aren’t white, and other than the occasional crack about Sicilians along the lines of Dennis Hopper’s scene in _True Romance_, I have never heard it said or implied that “White” exclusively means “WASP”. I’ve _never_ heard anyone claim that Greeks aren’t white. Never encountered anyone or even read about anyone in present day America who thought that Slavic peoples aren’t white. The Irish and their American descendants are considered white - there may have _been a time_ when they weren’t, like 130 years ago, but they certainly are now. The French aren’t Anglo or Saxon and most of them aren’t Protestant, I’ve never heard anyone say _they_ aren’t white. I think you’re misinformed about the commonly accepted meaning of the word WASP. It’s basically just shorthand for “person with predominantly English ancestry.” ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/75 "2019-01-03T22:20:04Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > There’s Americans who consider Cameron Diaz not-white once they discover that Díaz is a Spanish patronymic inherited from her Cuban Dad (I’ve met a few). Look, I personally think the whole concept of “whiteness” is absurd, but anyone who would say that about Cameron Diaz is equally absurd. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/76 "2019-01-03T22:26:00Z")
Nava: > [@](#): > > The expression is older than that and originally referred to Hispanics. I won’t claim that no one ever used it as such, but in my experience, they were generally referred to as Hispanics, not “brown people.” When referred to in the context of minority voting blocs, people would (most commonly) say “blacks and Hispanics”, not “black and brown people.” The phrase may well have existed in minor usage before 9/11 and Gulf War II, but it took a huge jump in usage at that point, when opponents of the Bush administration applied the definition to Arabs. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/77 "2019-01-03T22:36:57Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Nava: > > I won’t claim that no one ever used it as such, but in my experience, they were generally referred to as Hispanics, not “brown people.” When referred to in the context of minority voting blocs, people would (most commonly) say “blacks and Hispanics”, not “black and brown people.” The phrase may well have existed in minor usage before 9/11 and Gulf War II, but it took a huge jump in usage at that point, when opponents of the Bush administration applied the definition to Arabs. Perhaps adjust the dog whistle to include “brown race”, Here is an example for 1885: > **[The cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, commercial,...](https://archive.org/details/cyclopaediaofind02balfuoft/page/n5)** > > 26 > [@](#): > > Bo Island is inhabited by a mixed race of > Papuans and the brown race. In general after eugenics and racist theories were discredited those groups just replaced “race” with “people” or culture. “Brown” has been used in several contexts as a racist classification by several in the past and skin color was considered degenerate even by the nordicists, like Grant’s explanation on how the modern italians were lazy and used that as justification to avoid “white genocide” by Catholics and Finns etc… > **[Brown (racial classification)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_(racial_classification)#Racialist_models)** > > Brown is a racialized classification of people, usually a political and skin color-based category for specific populations with a light to moderate brown complexion. > In the 18th and 19th century, European and American writers proposed geographically based "scientific" differences among "the races". Many of these racial models assigned colors to the groups described, and some included a "brown race" as in the following: > These and other race theories have been dismissed scientifically. As a 2012-... Really saying “coloreds” and other terms just became less acceptable and the right would have been using the term “sand n\*gger” in person around 9/11 and Gulf War so others changed that to “brown people” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/78 "2019-01-03T23:09:22Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > I’ve _never_ heard anyone claim that Greeks aren’t white. Well, [this Greek man has some news for you](https://neoskosmos.com/en/38926/when-did-greeks-become-white/): > [@](#): > > Greek cohorts who may feel ‘white’ should be reminded that Greeks, Italians, Jews, and even Irish Catholics were not considered ‘white’ for a long time. > > From the mid 19th and early 20th centuries we were seen as ‘semi-coloured’ and were prohibited, later restricted, from entry to Australia. This was the same in the USA and Canada. > > We were ‘unsavoury’, and our values were unaligned to WASP Australia, Canada or USA of the time. […] > > The 1901 Immigration Restriction Act, or ‘White Australia Policy’, aimed mainly at Chinese, Asians and Pacific Islanders, considered those from the south east of Europe, Middle East, Levant, and Eurasia as ‘undesirable’. […] > > The American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association (AHEPA) formed in the 1920s as a direct response to the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), after the 1919 anti-Greek riots in Omaha. […] > > AHEPA, according to critics like Saloutos, represented the way Greeks could ‘whiten’ and de-Hellenise, by reinventing themselves according to the Germanic and Anglo eugenic-inspired views of ancient Hellenic whiteness − a mythology based on European archeologists’ findings of bleached white marble statues. […] > > When I grew up, the term ‘wog’ was not an empowering term as it is now. Our woodwork teacher sprayed our feet after lunch because we were “smelly little wogs”. We were often beaten and had to defend ourselves (some better than me), laughed at, spat on by Anglo peers, and refused service by some. […] > > According to the real culture warrior, Samuel P. Huntington, in his _The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order_, Greece belongs to an entirely different civilisation: the Orthodox one, together with Serbia and Russia. > > Nevertheless, by the 1980s we graduated to sort of white in Australia, due to our numbers, changes to our names and the pluralist policy of multiculturalism. […] > > Byron fought in the Greek Revolution in the early 19th century; his fantasy Greece was formulated through a Harrow view of the white, stoic Greece of Plato and Aristotle, now swamped by 400 years of ‘Oriental’ Turkish occupation. In Greece he found Greeks to be not so stoic or ‘white’, just like the peoples that inhabited a multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/79 "2019-01-03T23:47:49Z")
The concept of United States as a _Judeo-Christian_ nation based upon _Judeo-Christian ethics_ first became a political program after World War 2 in response to the growth of anti-Semitism in America. As most on this site are younger than that it is easy to forget that Ku Klux Klan was quite big on anti-Catholic rhetoric. Nordic theory, which was even partially an[US export to Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race), viewed Greeks and others as “degenerate races” as documented in this map. [![](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race#/media/File:Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg) ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race#/media/File:Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg) Note how “Alpine” and “Mediterranean” _races_ are in greece in his “modern times” map. And if you look at the other maps you will see where he made “Alpine” dots to claim the great works of the Greeks and Romans. Pretty much boiler plate typical racism of the time until the “evil immigrants” had a couple of generations to assimilate. But really “Nordic Theory” was a way to claim the anglo-saxons were a master race. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011/80 "2019-01-03T23:52:45Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, [this Greek man has some news for you](https://neoskosmos.com/en/38926/when-did-greeks-become-white/): That is an interesting historical account but my point is that in the present day, in America, I have never heard, nor read, a currently living person claim that Greeks are not white. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-usa-is-white-just-codeword-for-anyone-of-european-ancestry-because-i-thought/827011.md?page=5)