# In what dialect of English would words like "on" be pronounced "own" or "ohn"?
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**Created:** [June 12, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582 "2014-06-12T00:07:38Z")
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### Author:  [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/1 "2014-06-12T00:07:38Z")
I found this great app called Librivox, where you can download and listen to public domain fiction read aloud by volunteers. In the case of a couple of Sherlock Holmes stories, the reader has an ordinary English language name, and sounds like a native speaker from somewhere in North America. When she says the word _upon_, though, it comes out sounding like “upun”, with the second vowel almost rhyming with “u” in _club_. More noticeable still was the word _on_ pronounced like “ohwn” or “ohn”. She doesn’t always do this, but she does seem to do it more when the word is being spoken emphatically. So the Mormon pioneers in _A Study In Scarlet_, as she reads it, call out “Owhn, owhn to Zion!”
Otherwise, she speaks in what I perceive to be a very ordinary Mid-American accent, not particularly flavored with any regional accent, except possibly somewhere in the Midwest.
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### Author:  [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/2 "2014-06-12T00:11:16Z")
In answer to your title question, the Queen’s English (i.e., how the actual Queen talks).
I doubt whether she is your Librivox reader, though.
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### Author:  [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/3 "2014-06-12T00:16:20Z")
I sometimes say “on” to rhyme with “lawn.”
But I think most of the time, I say it to rhyme with… um… something else. I actually can’t think of a rhyme. It’s almost two syllables.
I can’t even think of something close except maybe a super-slangy pronunciation of “goin’.”
I’m from Appalachian (SE) Ohio.
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### Author:  [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/4 "2014-06-12T00:47:16Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> I sometimes say “on” to rhyme with “lawn.”
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> But I think most of the time, I say it to rhyme with… um… something else. I actually can’t think of a rhyme. It’s almost two syllables.
I had a roommate once from Long Island. The way SHE said “lawn” is close to the way I say “on.” I never even noticed it until a couple of years ago when someone pointed it out, and I don’t think I’ve ever noticed anyone else saying it, so I don’t know if it’s common or idiosyncratic.
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### Author:  [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/5 "2014-06-12T01:27:11Z")
Who’s the reader? Are there any biographical details available about her?
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### Author:  [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/6 "2014-06-12T01:31:44Z")
Impure accent due to a gaelic ,eg Irish influence. eg Welsh… some Welsh people have a similar thick accent.
You don’t get the Irish comedians (Connolly) or documentaries ?
suggestion: They learnt gaelic accent as a child and they keep the (poor) pronunciation of the simple words… They got “Zion” correct because they learnt that later in life.
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### Author:  [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/7 "2014-06-12T02:47:49Z")
Billy Connolly is a Scot. Plus, he doesn’t speak any Gaelic at all. And Hiberno-English makes a sharp distinction between “on” and “own”. My impression is that Welsh speakers do as well.
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### Author:  [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/8 "2014-06-12T04:01:04Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#):
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> Who’s the reader? Are there any biographical details available about her?
Her name is Laurie Anne Walden, but I can’t seem to find any information her origin or heritage.
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### Author:  [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/9 "2014-06-12T04:11:24Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#):
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> Her name is Laurie Anne Walden, but I can’t seem to find any information her origin or heritage.
I listened to the first couple minutes of [her reading of “The Adventure of the Copper Beeches”](https://librivox.org/the-adventures-of-sherlock-holmes/)—didn’t hear her say “on” yet, but the accent sounds to me like it comes from somewhere in the southern US.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/10 "2014-06-12T11:31:11Z")
It’s a [North Carolina accent](http://wiki.librivox.org/index.php/Accents_Table#US) (not a dialect, although that exists as well)
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### Author:  [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/11 "2014-06-12T12:31:25Z")
My father grew up in the country in east Texas near the Arkansas border (born 1925), and he said ON to rhyme with OWN.
“Put that book _own_ the table.”
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### Author:  [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/12 "2014-06-12T13:33:16Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> It’s a [North Carolina accent](http://wiki.librivox.org/index.php/Accents_Table#US) (not a dialect, although that exists as well)
Nice research. I have a passing familiarity with Librivox but didn’t know they catalogued that info on the readers.
After listening to the first few minutes of “The Adventure of the Copper Beeches” I believe that she has either been trained or is self-trained to speak in a neutral “news anchor” accent but several words popped out in her native Carolina accent in all its glory: draw, aside, side, once.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/13 "2014-06-12T14:13:39Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#):
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> After listening to the first few minutes of “The Adventure of the Copper Beeches” I believe that she has either been trained or is self-trained to speak in a neutral “news anchor” accent
I think all Librivox readers are volunteers - I doubt she’s professionally trained. Doesn’t sound it, to my ears at any rate.
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### Author:  [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/14 "2014-06-12T14:28:17Z")
> [@Isilder](#):
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> Impure accent
I’m interesting in hearing how linguists define this, or if you made it up.
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### Author:  [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/15 "2014-06-12T22:53:35Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#):
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> Nice research. I have a passing familiarity with Librivox but didn’t know they catalogued that info on the readers.
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> After listening to the first few minutes of “The Adventure of the Copper Beeches” I believe that she has either been trained or is self-trained to speak in a neutral “news anchor” accent but several words popped out in her native Carolina accent in all its glory: draw, aside, side, once.
Except that I couldn’t identify the particular accent, that’s about what I thought too.
I noticed a couple of additional things about her pronunciation, which I think some of your examples hint at: certain diphthongs in neutral pronunciation are spoken with the second part nearly absent, so for example _I_ comes out sounding almost like _Ah_. Also, the /æ/ sound as _back_ seems to be articulated with the tongue a little higher.
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### Author:  [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/16 "2014-06-13T04:04:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> It’s a [North Carolina accent](http://wiki.librivox.org/index.php/Accents_Table#US) (not a dialect, although that exists as well)
I was going to suggest North Carolina just after reading the OP. :: Fist bump::
One of my undergrad profs (who I still keep in touch with) has a strong North Carolina accent and I heard her speaking when going through the first post. 🙂 We read Dante’s Inferno in her class, and she pronounced it kinda like DAWN-tay’s on-FAIR-no. I loved it and heard it maaaaany times and it’s honestly hard to not pronounce “inferno” that way now (sometimes it slips through).
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### Author:  [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/17 "2014-06-13T06:17:15Z")
Definitely a North Carolina accent- pinched Southern Thought at first it was educated West Virginia (not all Hillbillies) but then after a few more minutes it was identifiable. I shocked an Airline Pilot sitting at a table next us at London Gatwick a few years ago by guessing his origin in NC- and informing him that with his name (when he told me it and his proud Irish heritage) that his ancestors were Scots Irish settlers sent in to quell the Fenians. His accent is still in my mind and that clinched it.
She is somewhat modulated but you can hear her slip back into early habits from time to time. The old NC accent (I would guess she is in her fifties or older, not young anyway- the accent is becoming more generalised over the Carolinas, Virginias and surrounding areas.
To my (Southern English) ears the accent shows overlay from southern Scots (where I currently live) and Western Irish in its cadence and some vowel sounds.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/18 "2014-06-13T09:04:16Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#):
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> Nice research. I have a passing familiarity with Librivox but didn’t know they catalogued that info on the readers.
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> After listening to the first few minutes of “The Adventure of the Copper Beeches” I believe that she has either been trained or is self-trained to speak in a neutral “news anchor” accent but several words popped out in her native Carolina accent in all its glory: draw, aside, side, once.
I wouldn’t say you need what we would normally call “training” to do this.
My parents, for example, say “pin” and “pen” the same way, but I don’t, because I was taught to read phonetically, so I picked up that the words were different. There wasn’t really any training involved.
A lot of people with regional accents learn to code switch on their own, sometimes without even noticing that they do it.
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### Author:  [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/19 "2014-06-13T14:54:58Z")
They make a lot of jokes on _Mad Men_ about people pronouncing Don (Don Draper) and Dawn (his secretary) names the same way. So maybe it’s a New York or New England sort of thing?
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### Author:  [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-dialect-of-english-would-words-like-on-be-pronounced-own-or-ohn/690582/20 "2014-06-13T14:59:59Z")
Whatever Cartman speaks.
It’s wrowng!
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