# In what (fictional) tactical scenerios would a doubled-barreled shotgun be superior?

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**Created:** [August 22, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267 "2009-08-22T01:41:09Z")\
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**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/81 "2009-08-28T00:02:57Z")

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Oh, I’ve long said the proper tool for hunting Jedi is a shotgun. And really, recoil is pretty dependent on the action. My single barrel break is probably the _worst_ possible shotgun for recoil, followed by a double barrel, followed by pump. Semi and automatic are actually pretty trivial that way.

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/82 "2009-08-28T00:09:26Z")

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> [@E-Sabbath](#):
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> Oh, I’ve long said the proper tool for hunting Jedi is a shotgun. And really, recoil is pretty dependent on the action. My single barrel break is probably the _worst_ possible shotgun for recoil, followed by a double barrel, followed by pump. Semi and automatic are actually pretty trivial that way.

Why would that be the case? Does the action absorb a truly significant amount of the recoil?

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**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/83 "2009-08-28T00:34:59Z")

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> [@Malthus](#):
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> Why would that be the case? Does the action absorb a truly significant amount of the recoil?

In self-loaders, some of the recoil is absorbed by the reloading operation, but “fixed-breech” (single/double barrel) shotguns do seem to kick more for some reason. I can only surmise it might be something to do with the comb of the stock, which is different on most fixed-breech and repeating shotguns, at least in my experience.

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**Author:** ![Hirundo82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/919ad9/32.png) [@Hirundo82](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirundo82)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/84 "2009-08-28T00:37:50Z")

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> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#):
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> > [@dropzone](#):
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> > The M3 (selective-fire M2 with IR scope) was not released until much later. The M2 was not released until '44.
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> You sure? The cite I came across had M3s WWII period, same with Wiki.

You two are discussing different guns.

The [M3 “Grease Gun”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_submachine_gun), introduced in 1942, is a submachine gun in .45 ACP which was one of the guns issued to tankers in WWII.

The [M3 Carbine](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Carbine#Carbine.2C_Cal_.30.2C_M3) (in .30 Carbine), introduced in 1945, is a select-fire version of the M1 carbine fitted with an infrared scope.

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/85 "2009-08-28T00:42:37Z")

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What, no mention of [wabbit hunting](http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13010229)?!

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/86 "2009-08-28T01:02:25Z")

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> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#):
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> _“CONSARN JED-EYE! I’LL SHOOT EVERY DARN ONE OF EM IN THE GALAXY! 'CAUSE I’M **YOSIMITY SITH** , THE ROOTINEST TOOTINEST DARK SIDER, THIS SIDE O CORSUSANT!”_

If you can work, “A’hm thinkin! And it hurts.” into that, I’ll buy it.  
Of course that means Bugs has to be Darth Bugs…🙂  
HOw can he eat carrots through that helmet?

Noo wait, Bugs would be a Rebel…But Bugs Vader or Darth Bugs would be so cool…

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**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/87 "2009-08-28T21:43:29Z")

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**carnivorousplant** said:

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> I don’t think I could aim again after the kick before a semi auto could reload.

That was my point exactly. A semi-auto or auto has rechambering before you can get the barrel back down, nevermind aim again.

**Malthus** said:

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> Depends. A 12 gauge, probably not; that packs quite a whallop, I recall. A 20 guage you probably could.

I shot a 20 gauge as a teen, haven’t shot any shotguns in ages, so I can’t compare by experience. My expectation is that any kick is going to rough up your aim, but I could be wrong.

**carnivorousplant** said:

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> We have a lady friend who shoots skeet with a .20 gauge; she’s about my size, 120 Lb wringing wet and says she can swing it around all day long.

It’s not swinging it around all day, it’s keeping it from moving when it fires. I want to be convinced that someone build like a tree can get off 2 good shots from a DB faster than with a 20 gauge semi-auto.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-what-fictional-tactical-scenerios-would-a-doubled-barreled-shotgun-be-superior/507267/88 "2009-08-28T22:02:59Z")

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> [@Irishman](#):
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> **carnivorousplant** said:  
> It’s not swinging it around all day, it’s keeping it from moving when it fires. I want to be convinced that someone build like a tree can get off 2 good shots from a DB faster than with a 20 gauge semi-auto.

I was being polite, adding verisimilitude to an otherwise bland and uninteresting narrative. I agree with you that it would be necessary to aim again, even with something small. It takes me a couple of seconds to be able to _see again_ after firing a 12 ga. 🙂

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