# In which I pit Chuck11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196 "2011-09-04T23:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/1 "2011-09-04T23:12:33Z")
In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=622273) Chuck11 says > [@](#): > > In your opinion, “racists” are an irrational bunch that attempt to use genetics to construct narratives to keep “others” down. You’re toting the marxist line. I’m sure that you can cite all sorts of clever psychoanalyses that expound this, but what evidence do you have that these analysis, these intellectual stances, are correct? Why are you supposing that “racists” are motivated by the desire to believe in black inferiority? Why not suppose that “racist” conclude that blacks are inferior based on the preponderance of the evidence? It seems to me that “anti-racists” are bent in believing that “racists” are bent in believing that blacks are inferior, so that you don’t have to debate them or provide evidence to the contrary. > > The problems that I have is that “anti-racists” inevitably accuse me of racism for “keeping the black man down.” When I say nothing, they take this as an admission of guilt. When I try to point out alternative explanations, cultural or genetic, for some of the “disparities,” I am accused of “just hating black people.” When I try to explain why I do what I do, I’m accused of rationalizing my supposed hatred and so on. So I don’t bother trying to show that I’m not “racist”; in fact, I’ve come to think that this thing called “racism” probably isn’t that bad after all. What I do now is simply demand proof that “blacks” are not “inferior” (i.e. that the statistical average differences commonly said to be the product of my racism is not, in fact, a product of aggregate genetic differences) and make my case that the difference could reasonably be due to genetics. I don’t think you’re “keeping the black man down”, Chuck. I do think you’re a racist, though- meaning, I think you believe blacks are inferior. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/2 "2011-09-04T23:26:36Z")
He’s gonna have to put a shitload of money in the sneer quote jar. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/3 "2011-09-05T00:13:36Z")
That whole thread is full of extreme stupidity. I’m not sure what it is about this site that attracts the “scientific” racists, but there sure are a lot of them and they’re all incredibly stupid and whiny. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/4 "2011-09-05T00:21:09Z")
He’s not “racist”. He’s “anti-Marxist”. 🆒 Damn, I’m one short for racist buzzword bingo on his quoted post. I’ve got inferior, marxist, rationalizing, and hating. Hmmm, I wonder if i can use the abuse of scare quotes as afraid, sure why not, B I N G O!! ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/5 "2011-09-05T00:51:45Z")
He’s a true believer trying to spread the gospel. Consider the fact that a military doctor with a distinguished service record was willing to throw away his entire career because he couldn’t deal with a half black president. Here in the US, “race” can turn otherwise intelligent people into blithering lunatics. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/6 "2011-09-05T02:16:42Z")
Anti-racist? You mean, normal, intelligent folks? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/7 "2011-09-05T02:38:42Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > That whole thread is full of extreme stupidity. > > I’m not sure what it is about this site that attracts the “scientific” racists, but there sure are a lot of them and they’re all incredibly stupid and whiny. We set our goals high here. We only allow in those who are above average. Imported for your pleasure. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/8 "2011-09-05T11:21:04Z")
Yeah, both **Chuck11** and **Chen019** needs a good ole-fashioned cockslap; unfortunately you’re looking at some [psychopathically obsessed](http://abc102.wordpress.com/) [racists here](http://occidentalascent.wordpress.com/). Sure sucks to be “a black” on the SDMB. [Non whites ruin everything…](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJes8AXHqwY) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/9 "2011-09-05T11:26:01Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > He’s gonna have to put a shitload of money in the sneer quote jar. Not to mention the “royalties” he “owes” Chris Farley’s “estate”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/10 "2011-09-05T12:21:50Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Yeah, both **Chuck11** and **Chen019** needs a good ole-fashioned cockslap; unfortunately you’re looking at some [psychopathically obsessed](http://abc102.wordpress.com/) [racists here](http://occidentalascent.wordpress.com/). Sure sucks to be “a black” on the SDMB. > > [Non whites ruin everything…](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJes8AXHqwY) Jeez, looking at those links, and the sites they link to, including anti-semitic sites, white nationalist sites, and other winners, makes me pretty sad. I hope these points of view are still shrinking in # of adherents. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/11 "2011-09-05T13:01:48Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m not sure what it is about this site that attracts the “scientific” racists, but there sure are a lot of them and they’re all incredibly stupid and whiny. They are taking advantage of the rules, I think. You can’t call them liars or flame them in GD, so they can just go on and on pushing their bigotry in relative comfort thanks to the forced (relative) politeness there. Most or all of the other forums I visit, they’d either be flamed to a crisp, banned on short notice, or both. Here, they can lie to our metaphorical faces and we can’t even mention it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/12 "2011-09-05T13:26:10Z")
To answer Chuck’s question - _“Why are you supposing that “racists” are motivated by the desire to believe in black inferiority?”_ - it’s because, in my experience, virtually all racists are failures. They are unable to succeed as individuals so they latch on to race as a form of pseudo-success. Racial identity allows them to claim a share of accomplishments they had nothing to do with. And claiming that some other racial group is holding them down gives them an excuse for their personal failure. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/13 "2011-09-05T13:57:56Z")
I can’t help noticing that these mooks studiously avoid discussing any potential implications of their beliefs, although I’m quite sure they have a fairly clear idea what those might be. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/14 "2011-09-05T14:03:53Z")
I’m curious if the numbers at the ends of **Chuck11** and **Chen019** ’s names have any significance in racist circles, like “88” does. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/15 "2011-09-05T14:15:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I can’t help noticing that these mooks studiously avoid discussing any potential implications of their beliefs, although I’m quite sure they have a fairly clear idea what those might be. [Good question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=623109). ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/16 "2011-09-05T14:30:52Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’m curious if the numbers at the ends of **Chuck11** and **Chen019** ’s names have any significance in racist circles, like “88” does. Its likely that they serve the same purpose that they do for a non-racist. it gives them a way to differ one monicker from another. Remember, these guys’ only reason to live is to preach. They probably have many different monickers on many different websites; all raising the same racial questions. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/17 "2011-09-05T20:57:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’m curious if the numbers at the ends of **Chuck11** and **Chen019** ’s names have any significance in racist circles, like “88” does. As far as I know, 11 and 19 (or 019) have no special significance. The most common racist code numbers are 14 and 88. You’ll also sometimes see 18, 23, 28, 83, 311, and 33/5. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/18 "2011-09-05T21:25:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’m curious if the numbers at the ends of **Chuck11** and **Chen019** ’s names have any significance in racist circles, like “88” does. What significance does “88” have? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/19 "2011-09-05T21:33:16Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > What significance does “88” have? H is the eighth letter. 88 = HH = Heil Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/20 "2011-09-06T00:39:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > As far as I know, 11 and 19 (or 019) have no special significance. The most common racist code numbers are 14 and 88. You’ll also sometimes see 18, 23, 28, 83, 311, and 33/5. What about 14? Or any of them, I guess. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196.md?page=2)