# In which I pit Chuck11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196 "2011-09-04T23:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/21 "2011-09-06T01:25:34Z")
I don’t know all of them, but 311 = 3 11 = 3 k(the 11th letter) = kkk. 14 is the number of words in some racist slogan, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children” ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/22 "2011-09-06T02:01:07Z")
And if you see a 1488, there’s just no chance it’s a coincidence. Now that I think of it, I’m not sure you see the 14 by itself all that much. But 1488 seems to be pretty common. From the little I know of such things. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/23 "2011-09-06T03:31:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What about 14? Or any of them, I guess. As Taber wrote, 14 is a code for _“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children”_ which is the motto of the Order, a white supremacist organization. Racists wanted to put a little shade on it in prison so they started referring to this message as the Fourteen Words. The rest are based on a simple alphanumeric code; a=1, b=2, c=3, etc. 18 - AH - Adolf Hitler 23 - W - White supremacy 28 - BH - Blood and Honor (the motto of the SS) 83 - HC - Heil Christ (Christian Identity is a racist group that really misinterpreted Jesus’ message) 88 - HH - Heil Hitler 311 - 3 K’s - Ku Klux Klan 33/5 - 33 is again 3 K’s (this obviously only works for the advanced level Klansmen who have mastered multiplication). The 5 stands for the current Klan which is supposedly the fifth revival of the organization. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/24 "2011-09-06T04:46:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > 18 - AH - Adolf Hitler That’s funny, because 18 is a very important number in Jewish custom - it’s the numerical value of the word [Chai](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_(symbol))or “alive”. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/25 "2011-09-06T06:48:01Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s funny, because 18 is a very important number in Jewish custom - it’s the numerical value of the word [Chai](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_(symbol))or “alive”. There you go. Numerology proves that Hitler is alive. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/26 "2011-09-06T07:11:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=622273) Chuck11 says > > I don’t think you’re “keeping the black man down”, Chuck. I do think you’re a racist, though- meaning, I think you believe blacks are inferior. He is referring to statistical averages - ie. different bell curves. I agree that doesn’t infer superiority or otherwise, but that is a common tactic by those who want to shut down discussion. They simply say, of so you mean X are inferior, which is of course not what is being said. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/27 "2011-09-06T07:25:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > 18 - AH - Adolf Hitler > 23 - W - White supremacy > 28 - BH - Blood and Honor (the motto of the SS) > 83 - HC - Heil Christ (Christian Identity is a racist group that really misinterpreted Jesus’ message) > 88 - HH - Heil Hitler > 311 - 3 K’s - Ku Klux Klan > 33/5 - 33 is again 3 K’s (this obviously only works for the advanced level Klansmen who have mastered multiplication). The 5 stands for the current Klan which is supposedly the fifth revival of the organization. Minor nitpick: The motto of the _SS_ was “Meine Ehre heißt Treue,” “my honor is fidelity.” “Blood and Honor” was the motto of the\* Hitler-Jugend\*. (“Blut und Ehre”, in German.) Other than that, rock on. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/28 "2011-09-06T09:27:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’m curious if the numbers at the ends of **Chuck11** and **Chen019** ’s names have any significance in racist circles, like “88” does. What is the significance of 88? 😕 edit: Ok, looked down the thread & see explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/29 "2011-09-06T09:44:16Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > He is referring to statistical averages - ie. different bell curves. > > I agree that doesn’t infer superiority or otherwise, but that is a common tactic by those who want to shut down discussion. They simply say, of so you mean X are inferior, which is of course not what is being said. No, but it is often what is being meant. Look at the other thread - already you and others are suggesting that such a statistical difference should allow us to handwave away potential incidences of discrimination because _of course_ black people aren’t going to do as well as white people overall. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/30 "2011-09-06T09:58:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No, but it is often what is being meant. > > Look at the other thread - already you and others are suggesting that such a statistical difference should allow us to handwave away potential incidences of discrimination because _of course_ black people aren’t going to do as well as white people overall. Please don’t misrepresent what I say, I don’t suggest that discrimination on the basis of skin color should be handwaved away. I suggested that a possibly policy implication is that unequal representation should not be taken as prima facie evidence of discrimination because under a meritocratic system you would expect unequal representation ([based on test differences](http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2000skillsgaps.pdf)). Princeton bio-ethicist Peter Singer makes this point in his book [‘A Darwinian Left’](http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1999----02.htm): > [@](#): > > A Darwinian left would not: > > • Deny the existence of a human nature, nor insist that human nature is inherently good, nor that it is infinitely malleable; > > • Expect to end all conflict and strife between human beings, whether by political revolution, social change, or better education; > > • **Assume that all inequalities are due to discrimination, prejudice, oppression or social conditioning. Some will be, but this cannot be assumed in every case;** I provided you with a paper by Professor Amy Wax which discusses this in the context of the 4/5 rule. [Wax, Amy L., “Disparate Impact Realism“. Scholarship at Penn Law. Paper 361.](https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/disparate-impact-realism-1.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/31 "2011-09-06T10:20:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > As Taber wrote, 14 is a code for _“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children”_ which is the motto of the Order, a white supremacist organization. Racists wanted to put a little shade on it in prison so they started referring to this message as the Fourteen Words. > > The rest are based on a simple alphanumeric code; a=1, b=2, c=3, etc. > > 18 - AH - Adolf Hitler > 23 - W - White supremacy > 28 - BH - Blood and Honor (the motto of the SS) > 83 - HC - Heil Christ (Christian Identity is a racist group that really misinterpreted Jesus’ message) > 88 - HH - Heil Hitler > 311 - 3 K’s - Ku Klux Klan > 33/5 - 33 is again 3 K’s (this obviously only works for the advanced level Klansmen who have mastered multiplication). The 5 stands for the current Klan which is supposedly the fifth revival of the organization. Isn’t “blood and honor” an orc motto in WoW? Horde players are nazis! ---
**Author:** ![Chuck11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/96bed5/32.png) [@Chuck11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chuck11)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/32 "2012-02-11T20:28:39Z")
I just came across this thread. Awesome! Dedicated solely to my lonesome. Ya, I roasted y’all in those previous debates, didn’t I! For those interested, check out how I systematically demolished the anti-racist claims in the other threads I commented on. So now you’re down to ad hominems. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/33 "2012-02-11T21:44:56Z")
So, Chinese are pro Hitler. Learn something every day… ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/34 "2012-02-11T21:47:22Z")
> [@Chuck11](#): > > I just came across this thread. Eww. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/35 "2012-02-12T00:00:08Z")
> [@Statistically, blacks score poorly on IQ and IQ-proxy exams than whites, is black genetics to blame?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statistically-blacks-score-poorly-on-iq-and-iq-proxy-exams-than-whites-is-black-genetics-to-blame/594488/213): > > You’re toting the marxist line. Tote that marxist line, lift that marxist bale. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/36 "2012-02-12T00:41:45Z")
Get a little drunk and you’re still smarter than Chuck11. (It rhymes in my head.) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/37 "2012-02-12T03:09:11Z")
You load sixteen tons, and what do you get? Marxist ideology, don’t you bet. St. Peter, don’t you call me, I’m just fine, I owe my thoughts to the Marxist line. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/38 "2012-02-12T06:47:35Z")
[Awesome!](http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/white-flour-02.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/39 "2012-02-12T11:00:58Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > So, Chinese are pro Hitler. Learn something every day… I once debated a elderly black taxidriver who claimed Hitler was right, I THINK he was talking about executing criminals and being tough on crime. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2012, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-chuck11/595196/40 "2012-02-12T12:40:55Z")
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