In which I pit my lazy husband and I don't give a fuck if this is lame

Perhaps a more realistic solution:

  1. Listen to him.
  2. Tell him, in a calm, quiet voice, that living in a cluttered house is extremely stressful to you.
  3. Ask him for help in removing this source of stress, and ask him for ideas on what can be done.
  4. Take his ideas seriously.
  5. If he’s not willing to give ideas, suggest some of your own, ideas that don’t equal, “Do what I say!” For example, could y’all agree that the basement is his to do whatever he wants with (as long as whatever he wants doesn’t attract rats), but that he’ll not store anything outside the basement except in a manner that works for you? I don’t know whether you could afford to give up the basement, but if you could, even if it’d be pretty inconvenient, it’d be a pretty strong gesture of compromise on your part.
  6. Don’t clean up after him. If there’s a mess that both of y’all ought to be cleaning, say, “Hey, we should get some cleaning done today. This show’s over at noon, right? Shall we work on cleaning from noon until two, see what we can get done?” Be willing to give suggestions: if he’s a slob, he may not have the specific skills it takes to keep things clean, but if you can give him specific suggestions in a non-mocking fashion, he can probably learn.

Daniel

On second thought - can you buy a duplex?

You have two choices, then - live with it, or change your responses to it. He might be the one hoarding shit, but YOU’RE the one who has to figure out how you’re going to deal with it.

And for the record, if you said things to him today like you posted in your OP, you spoke to him very disrespectfully.

Mental health disorders often get worse with age - you mentioned it had got worse in the last 5 years and that you have been married for over 30 years, so I’m guessing he’s not a spring chicken?!

Yo Mama,

I do not have access to his two incomes. If I did, I wouldn’t be writing this rant today. I like your suggestion, but even if I did have the financial resources to build storage and hire kids to help, what do you think a persons reaction to this would be? If someone threw out my shit without my knowing it, I’d be pissed as hell.

widdley

No, he’s no spring chicken. I’ve been trying to trace this back and the only things I can think of (and I’m certain of the ADD symptoms) at the moment were that I used to organize everything for him. I did his laundry and organized his dresser and closet. Here’s an example of tracing it back, he used to lose his keys repeatedly so I got him a key rack to put his keys on. He didn’t USE IT. He would still misplace the keys. When he misplaced (he still does this by the way) the keys he’d get stressed and yell as if I took the keys. He says things like “who moved my keys” or “who moved my glasses” as if other people are moving his things…and they aren’t! He’d start yelling at me and kids to help him find his keys. (Featherlou, are you reading here? He yells at people to “help him” and you say Ispoke to him disrespectfully? Read on, sister) and accusing family members of “burying” his things or “moving” his things, all the while demanding that we help him…and when we find them for him…where HE put them, he never apologizes for making accusations and never says thank you for helping him. Instead he insults people.

What does that sound like to you? Besides crazy, I mean. It is as if, he is overwhelmed by what he accumulates (back to the hoarding here) and buys new things as if it is starting over and he thinks he has some control over it.

widdley

You don’t want any advice, do you? I mean, you asked for some, and you got lots, but it isn’t what you want to hear, so you dismiss it out of hand and throw in some swear words for shock value. You clearly have two problems in your home. One is your husband. The other is you. He isn’t changing. You aren’t moving. That’s called an impasse. You’ve found something lacking in all the responses here. What do you need the folks on the SDMB for?

Let me tell you what disrespect is. Disrespect is ignoring that people are trying to help you. Disrespect is sitting on your ass while your wife cleans up shit around you. Disrespect is having three days off from work and doing nothing productive. Disrespect is letting your shit intrude on the rest of your family. Disrespect is thinking you’re entitled to let your shit intrude on the rest of your family.

So bite me.

widdley

Actually, fishbicycle, I didn’t ask for advice. Like most other posters who post here in the Pit, I simply needed to unload. Does that help? I do like that at least part of this thread has brought to light the issue of hoarding, mental disorders and symptoms of Adult ADD.

widdley

Damn, woman. Lighten up. “Bite me?” “Yo mama?” “Have a nice day?” “Get it?” “What strategy would you suggest?” “I didn’t come here for advice. Does that help?”

You weren’t asking for sympathy, but I had some for you after reading the OP. After reading your pissy responses to people who read your post and mistakenly tried to help, I think I’ve figured it out. Your husband hoards stuff as a barrier – he’s just looking for a place to hide.

Do you think so? Did you read the part about personality disorder? Or the part where I stated he was an ACOA? How about the ADD? And no, I wasn’t asking for sympathy. I also didn’t ask people who don’t know me to make assumptions on who was being disrespectful to whom.

Let me cure you of your faulty mind reading…

Bite me…means just what you think it does. Read the context.
Yo Mama…is a greeting.
Have a nice day…is a sign off.
Get it…means do you understand the big picture?
What strategy would you suggest?..is a question.
I didn’t come here for advice…is the truth.
Does that help? Is in a confirmation of the statement made by anothe person who said I didn’t come here for advice.

Do you by any chance live with someone who is an ACOA? Do you by any chance live with someone with compulsive habits? Do you by any chance live with someone who has ADD and refuses to seek help? Do you by any chance live with someone who avoids addressing their dysfunctions by abusing their family relationships?

If not, your comments are irrelevant to me.

widdley

And do you by any chance live with someone whose symptoms have become chronic in the last 5 years?

Just a question…

widdley

God, you’re a right cunt. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

Or post in the Pit.

Ditto!

I mean, is a good man otherwise? If so, you need to be taking this rant to him. If not, I second what someone else said about moving away to your own nice home.

Can’t take WHAT, Guinastasia? What is it that you think I should be “taking” here? This is a rant forum isn’t it? I ranted. Do you expect a person to be in a good mood on a day when they’ve written a rant? What is this “taking” that I’m supposed to be doing? Taking shit from people making judgement calls on a rant?

Please…

widdley

jjimm,

Here is information about why people hoard from the site you supplied at the top of this thread.
"WHY PEOPLE HOARD.
Sentimental Value. - Decision Making. - Organizing. - Responsibility.
Control/Perfection. - Scared to Forget/Perfectionism. - Letting go of Things.
Simplified Hoarding is about the fear of throwing something away that you might need someday, of not being able to remember it perfectly or that if thrown away it will cause a problem or that something bad may happen.

While many people keep things around them for a variety of reasons, is Hoarding a normal behavior become excessively present, creating more discomfort than it could/should be creating comfort.
Meaning that the accumulation of material goods doesn’t create material comfort but will instead result in a discomfort that may disrupt their life on all levels.

How often don’t you hear people say:“Typical, just after I finally threw that item away I found a use for it or needed it a few days later.”.
But rarely do they end up living in a house where small paths have to be created to be able to walk around.

The following reasons of why people Hoard are all closely linked, but although similar they still have distinct differences.

SENTIMENTAL VALUE.
Now you would expect for these things that are kept to have a purpose, to be meaningful or valuable.
But for the person that Hoards, the usefulness and/or value may lay in the most unexpected things.
Sentimental value is only 1 of the criteria to keep just about anything.
This value is also about feeling the item is part of “you”, not just an independent object.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment I discard of this item I discard a part of myself.
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DECISION MAKING.
The “What If’s” that are so typical of OCD are found here too. Those with Hoarding Behavior find it extremely difficult to make decisions, and end up avoiding having to make any by keeping everything.
“What if I may need this 1 day? Where is the harm in keeping just this 1 extra thing?”
Not having to make the decision of discarding something literally means that they can’t make any mistakes while doing so.
Sounds simple enough, but how better to avoid making mistakes than to yes, avoid doing things, making decisions.
You can’t do anything wrong if you don’t do anything. Those who don’t try can’t fail.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment I decide to throw something away I may be making the wrong choice.
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ORGANIZING.
There is also the difficulty with knowing how to organize objects, not being able to see how you would possibly store them in a logical fashion (Which is ironic considering the visual chaos that is created by the Hoarder). But while this chaos may be painfully apparent for outsiders, the hoarder himself often finds some logic in this. To him a pile of junk may very well be the only way he can sense some control and order. If only because the pile will literally be created by stacking what is most important on top.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment I am unable to know how to categorize an item, I will place it in sight so I will know where it is.
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RESPONSIBILITY.
As you may see in OCD, you also have a tendency for people to feel Hyper- Responsible for what is happening around them and the people they care for.
With Hoarding this can result in the accumulation of “Just- In- Case” Objects being carried around with them at all times.
For me this meant hauling a huge purse around that could easily knock anybody out.

But you also have the obligation of HAVING to use a certain item. Discarding seems to be wasting something and this is why so many items will later on be categorized under “Recycling”, “Giving Away” and so on.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment my object has a use, I have to keep/use it so it doesn’t get wasted.
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CONTROL/PERFECTION.
Then you have the issue of Control/Perfectionism, again so present when looking at OCD. The fact that when you throw something away, it’s gone and once the trash will be picked up you will never be able to find this item again.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment you decide to throw something away, you no longer are the person in control and what happens to this item will be in the hands of others.
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SCARED OF FORGETTING/PERFECTION.
Because of the fear of forgetting and the inability to accept that we can’t be in total control, items will be kept so that with written/printed material for instance, it can be re- read at all times.
Some will find themselves looking through the garbage, checking if they haven’t thrown out something they shouldn’t have or resort in writing information down what they see in every- day life, such as license- plate #'s, to make sure the information won’t be forgotten. The inability to remember all, becomes the behavior of keeping all within “arm- reach”.
Hoarders have been noted to have a greater sense of Perfection than non- Hoarders and will even expect this Perfection whereas others may strive for Perfection.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment you throw something away, you may forget it’s content or the way it looked and it will be gone forever.
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LETTING GO OF THINGS.
1 other point that for me was a motivation to Hoard was the fear of letting go, of moving on.
I used to hoard when I was younger, I would keep candy wrappers, elastic bands and small pieces of about… anything. The idea of loosing things that had even a remotely sentimental value to me, scared me. Because there would be no turning back, no control.
But to me it also had something to do with things being ephemeral, keeping things or parts of them, meant that I would literally prevent them from ceasing to exist, scared that parts of my life may be forever forgotten. So I picked up small stones, leaves and kept notes and bills. I didn’t want to let go of my life and forgot there was still much more to come.
All part of being afraid of death.
Letting go of things in life is so needed if we want to experience some sense of freedom, but for someone with OCD this means letting go of the control we want so badly.
My items became part of who I was, thus letting go would be letting go of myself.
Today I am still unable to discard or to give away certain items because they are “me”, and giving them away would mean part of me would be somewhere else, belong to someone else.

MISCONCEPTION: The moment you throw something away, you let go of that specific part of your life, however insignificant it may be. "

Thanks!

widdley

widdleytinks, can’t you at least post in the proper forum?

Here’s a hint, MUNDANE POINTLESS STUFF I MUST SHARE, sheesh!

If you are as obnoxious a bitch in person as you are on this message board, no wonder you are having a rough time. You don’t want advice, you don’t want sympathy, you don’t even want a conversation. You are content to be angry and condescending. Just remember, we didn’t do anything to get you riled up. FFS, get a blog.

Well I suppose I could have or even been willing to if it weren’t for folks like you mocking the discharge of emotions/anger of a person who lives with a person who suffers mental illness who in turn, causes major stress for his family.

I don’t find that mundane or pointless at all. I do, however, find it odd that you mock it.

widdley

Im not mocking you.

Here are the forum descriptions:

MPSIMS: “For general discussion: from frivolous chatter to deep thoughts; from harmless diversions to life-changing announcements.”

BBQ PIT: “If you gotta flame, do it here. This is the place for all complaints and other discussion regarding administration of the SDMB”

Which forum does your OP fit into?