# In which minty green presents evidence that SPOOFE is being a jerk **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2001, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490 "2001-05-25T15:47:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/41 "2001-05-26T22:38:01Z")
Apropos of nothing, my own “colorful nickname” for SPOOFE is “Yammering Busybody”. I made it up because it describes his finger-in-every-pie approach to the SDMB. Till now I’ve only used it as a mental notation. Regardless, his posting career can be summed up only as “a mad dash to reach 5000 posts”. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/42 "2001-05-27T00:01:23Z")
> [@](#): > > First, you take one sentence from a long post of mine and ask for clarification of that sentence. I reply that I had already clarified that sentence at a later point in my post and wondered if you simply hadn’t noticed. And you take offense to this… why? When asked for clarification, give it. If a person dosen’t understand there point well enough to restate it half a dozen different ways, they need to think about it some more. Communication is the responsibility of the writer, not the reader. Now, when someone fails to misunderstand the painfuly obvious in many different circumstances when talking to many different people who explain the same things in many different ways–well, then, one can think to oneself that they may be willfully ignorant, and to simply start ignoring them. But to assume that lack of understanding is always the other guy’s problem, not yours–that is arrogant beyond reason. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/43 "2001-05-27T00:53:38Z")
“YEAH!” to the following: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\* To continue to call someone by something other than their name (unless they specifically asked to be called this other name/term) is quite rude, and on a personally insulting level, as well. > > I’ve said before, if you’re confident in the content of your post, you shouldn’t have to resort to name calling, rudeness, snide comments, personal attacks etc. \*\* And > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Manda Jo \* \*\* > Just cause they are singing the same old song dosen’t mean you are obligated to join the chourus. If it makes you this pissed off, stay out. As you yourself have pointed out, the exact same debate, almost word for word, will go on wether or not it is you typing your part in the script or if someone else is doing it. Let someone who still enjoys it play your part. \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*[, I’ve been saddened of late, because of what I’ve seen as an increase in personal attacks in GD lately. \*\* Now, SPOOFE… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* \*\* > 'm not saying it’s not rude (I did it specifically to display my extreme disagreement with Abe’s post), I’m saying that it’s not a “personal insult”. > \*\* Not only is this about the most pathetic attempt to split the atom of the hair, it makes no sense besides. Anyone who is endeavoring to be deliberately rude is intending to insult. in·sult (n-slt) To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or \*\* contemptuous rudeness \*\* . stoid ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/44 "2001-05-27T01:39:16Z")
Stoid-like you’re so innocent? _loud guffaws_ ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/45 "2001-05-27T04:58:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\* > I’m not saying it’s not rude (I did it specifically to display my extreme disagreement with Abe’s post), I’m saying that it’s not a “personal insult”. > \*\* OH MY GOD. I am having _serious_ flashbacks to a Pit thread I was involved in long, long ago where I tried to explain away various statements of mine using tortuous language just like this. I was mercilessly butchered by **SPOOFE** , **Monster 104** , and others in their camp. **SPOOFE** , you are wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, _wrong_. Have the grace to apologize, (as I did, if you recall) and put the matter to rest. Of course, if you don’t I’ll just lurk and enjoy the delicious irony of all this, as others heap abuse upon you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/46 "2001-05-27T05:21:03Z")
Manda Jo… > [@](#): > > When asked for clarification, give it. I did. And I asked Minty why he seems so upset that I DID clarify him. If a reader is hasty in his response to something that someone else has written, it is his fault entirely. Again, I restate my position… it ain’t my problem if Minty can’t read my whole post before choosing to respond. Lizard… > [@](#): > > I am having serious flashbacks to a Pit thread I was involved in long, long ago where I tried to explain away various statements of mine using tortuous language just like this. And the result was the same… you eventually realized your mistake, made amends, and life went on. > [@](#): > > SPOOFE, you are wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Have the grace to apologize, (as I did, if you recall) and put the matter to rest. Uh… I **DID**. ---
**Author:** ![Abe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f1d935/32.png) [@Abe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2001, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/47 "2001-05-28T06:57:09Z")
While I appreciate SPOOFE’s apology, which I did indeed read after I posted here, his colourful nickname for me posted 8 billion times was the least part of the problem. I am not about to feel offended by anyone who has to resort to such cheap _ad hominem_ techniques in order to validate his arguments. > [@](#): > > _Posted by Freedom_ > And hey, the last I checked Spoofe was offering an apology. I’m sorry that Abe wasn’t able to get in here and offer his opinion before the apology, but it just screams of bad form to start bashing someone after they have admitted their mistake. If you think the contemptuous nickname is the root of the problem here, you are on the wrong track. The nickname is simply a device. My problem is with the arguments themselves, which I find in very poor form for a forum called Great Debates (not Highly Subjective Opinions, Denial, and Tangential Arguments Offered as Support for Flawed Reasoning). SPOOFE is quite clearly pro-guns, and I indicated before that personal positions did not matter to me. The debate was not supposed to be about a foreigner attacking the sanctity of American rights to own firearms, as a few posters seemed eager to assume (were it indeed such an argument, I assume the Moderators would have squashed it). The debate was about the reasoning behind the firearm issues in the US. When some, including Spoofe and later Freedom, posted subjective and illogical arguments that did not address in valid manner the subject matter being discussed, and that simply served to overwhelm the opposition, some people became annoyed. Minty Green was so exasperated at the techniques employed that he opened this thread. Tension on this gun topic obviously runs very high with some Americans. Freedom, now that Svinlesha has explained the argument of excessive force and its legality in portions of the world, do you feel that you spoke from ignorance? Or can you justify your statement that what I posted on the topic of excessive force was “the dumbest thing I have ever read or seen in any gun debate, any gun thread, at anytime or place”? (not to mention your other comments in the same post) Czarcasm might have been partially correct in his comment on guns and America: certainly the thread in question has a number of pro-gun arguments that are more typical of fundamentalist religion, with attendant dogmatic reasoning and illegitimate attacks on the opposition, than debate. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2001, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/48 "2001-05-28T12:43:28Z")
I was _partially_ correct?!? 🙂 We’re talking about a group of people who believe that carrying a bangstick is a natural right…no, make that a **G_O_D\* G_I_V_E_N** right. Look at who they elected as head of the N.R.A-Moses himself, Chucky Heston! ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2001, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/49 "2001-05-28T15:14:02Z")
When posting this: > [@](#): > > When some, including Spoofe and later Freedom, posted subjective and illogical arguments that did not address in valid manner the subject matter being discussed, and that simply served to overwhelm the opposition, Please keep this in mind: > [@](#): > > (not Highly Subjective Opinions, Denial, and Tangential Arguments Offered as Support for Flawed Reasoning) If you disagree with my points, then please address them. Further… You would do well to address them in the thread where I made them. [Relevant Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=71506&pagenumber=4) > [@](#): > > . Freedom, now that Svinlesha has explained the argument of excessive force and its legality in portions of the world, do you feel that you spoke from ignorance? Or can you justify your statement that what I posted on the topic of excessive force was “the dumbest thing I have ever read or seen in any gun debate, any gun thread, at anytime or place”? Nope. Stating that a person using a gun to defend themselves from a knife attack is excessive force, and justifies removing guns from the public **IS** : > [@](#): > > the dumbest thing I have ever read or seen in any gun debate, any gun thread, at anytime or place" It’s a cheap trick to move the debate over here. Pick a thread and stick to it. I don’t plan to chase you all over the board. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2001, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/50 "2001-05-28T15:35:35Z")
I did not have sex with that woman. Ms. Lewinksi. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2001, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/51 "2001-05-28T18:22:39Z")
I see now that two good things have come out of my little rant. First, SPOOFE offered his apologies to Abe back in the original thread. Well done, sir. I only wish it hadn’t taken this thread to prod you into it, or that I’d noticed it before I left town. Second, it turns out that I’m one of Duck Duck Goose’s favorite posters. That’s like getting a pat on the head from Mom. Thanks, Duck! I’ll try not to disappoint anymore. Mods, you can lock up this flamefest anytime. ---
**Author:** ![Abe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f1d935/32.png) [@Abe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2001, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490/52 "2001-05-29T05:43:56Z")
Freedom has, with characteristically poor “arguments” invited me to stick to the point. I did, and you can find it in the original thread. I posted there because that is where you asked for citations of your poor techniques. You drone nonsensically on about subjectivity, and you don’t even realize that is has been your hallmark during the gun debate. The following, by the way, is an evasion that is indeed worthy of the tag “dumbest thing I have heard”: > [@](#): > > _Posted by Freedom_ > Stating that a person using a gun to defend themselves from a knife attack is excessive force, and justifies removing guns from the public IS [dumbest thing, etc.] Your subjectivity prevents you from understanding–or even identifying–the arguments made in that thread. And you will never understand them so long as you refuse to try. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-minty-green-presents-evidence-that-spoofe-is-being-a-jerk/66490.md?page=2)