# In which RTFirefly pits self for being unfair to Weirddave **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723 "2006-07-09T12:54:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/1 "2006-07-09T12:54:49Z")
I have been unfair to **Weirddave**. I’ve been irrationally attacking him over what was clearly nothing more than an accidental omission of a word on his part. This occurred in the [Lieberman may bolt from Dems](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=378454&page=2&pp=50) GD thread. As he says in post #88 of that thread: > [@Weirddave](#): > > RTF: > … > If you have any evidence at all that Scalia “short circuited” the legal process, present it. Otherwise, it’s all just more yammering. The only bolt in your crossbow is that I said “the recount” instead of “the recount procedure”, which is typical of the way you argue. When you don’t have any facts to present, you hijack the subject with a gramatical nitpick or a pedantic quibble. Unquestionably so. What **Weirddave** posted in post 51 of that thread was: > [@](#): > > Gore conceded honorably when he lost the recount. So **Weirddave** left out ‘procedure’ and I relentlessly attacked him over this trivial mistake. Relentlessly, I tell you. My attack began with post 55: > [@](#): > > Speaking of correcting the record :), I don’t recall a completed recount, other than the 5-4 kind. See? I was foaming at the mouth, right off the bat. Inexcusable! Along about post 57, **BrainGlutton** joined in, making us a two-man lynch mob, when he also pointed out the error to **Weirddave** : > [@](#): > > He did not **lose** the recount, it was short-circuited by Scalia. **Weirddave** , responding to **BrainGlutton** ’s savage attack, courteously acknowledged his error in Post 63, saying: > [@](#): > > _pat pat_ > You’re so gosh darn kyoote! After this acknowledgement and rectification of his initial error, it was unthinkable that I’d continue to bring it up, but I did. In post 71, **Homebrew** , clearly not understanding the graciousness with which **Weirddave** had acknowledged his mistake, asked: > [@](#): > > Does this shit really have a place in GD? To which **Weirddave** elaborated further in post 73 on how he’d simply gotten his wording wrong, and was merely trying to correct the record: > [@](#): > > I think it’s an apropriate response to the same old sorry partisan song and dance that BrainGlutton was spouting. GD is for debate, not for repeating tired old talking points again and again. Which makes my atttack on **Weirddave** in post 78 even more irrational: > [@](#): > > **BrainGlutton** was _correcting a factual error_ in what you said. > > There’s this thing called ‘fighting ignorance’ which we’re supposedly about here, remember? > > None of us does everything we can to fight ignorance, but I’d say a minimum threshold should be acknowledging demonstrable errors in plain, unquestionable facts when they are pointed out, rather than pretending that the facts in question are something else entirely, be it talking points or whatever. Couldn’t I see that **Weirddave** _had_ acknowledged and corrected his factual error? How could I have missed it? Yet, after some more back-and-forth between **BrainGlutton** and **Weirddave** , I had the nerve (in post 86) to keep on jumping on **Weirddave** , ignoring his repeated concessions and corrections: > [@](#): > > We have the guy who (a) got his facts wrong about Florida 2000 who then (b) got all condescending with a poster who corrected him, (c) refused to acknowledge that his facts were wrong, despite being told multiple times, and (d) is moving on and blowing a whole lot of new smoke in the apparent hope that people will rise to the new bait and will forget he’s still pretending facts are ‘kyooote’ things that can be dismissed with a pat on the head. Which is what **Weirddave** was responding to in his post (#88) in that thread which I quoted at the top of this post. One who flouts the norms of GD in such a manner as I have done here clearly deserves to be Pitted. But **Wierddave** is too gentlemanly a poster to do so. So after having considered the matter for the past day and a half, I have come to the conclusion that if he won’t Pit me for this irrational behavior of mine, I must do so myself. _Mea culpa._ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/2 "2006-07-09T12:56:12Z")
I must also take my share of the responsibility for hijacking the Lieberman thread into yet one more re-fight of the Florida 2000 fiasco (by my repeated attacks on **Weirddave** enumerated above, all of which had to do with Florida 2000), and thereby playing my part in, as **Weirddave** puts it, > [@](#): > > the Democrats becoming the party of crybabies. The onus is clearly on hyperliberals like **BrainGlutton** and myself for refusing to drop the issue. Lord knows, **Weirddave** was upset when we brought up the subject in [post 41](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7552010&postcount=41), and tried numerous times to direct the thread back to Lieberman’s possible independent bid, which had been its original topic. But we, in our obsession over the 2000 election, would not be dissuaded. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/3 "2006-07-09T13:02:56Z")
We ought to have some kind of “irony” smiley, but this is the best I can do: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/4 "2006-07-09T13:26:15Z")
This thread is so deep into Gen X territory that I can’t even tell if it’s being ironic anymore. But I wish you two would get over your hard ons for each other and move on. Both of you. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/5 "2006-07-09T14:00:44Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > This thread is so deep into Gen X territory that I can’t even tell if it’s being ironic anymore. > > But I wish you two would get over your hard ons for each other and move on. Both of you. You’re a fine one to talk about moving on after cracking a Gen X joke. I approve of this Pitting. Obviously, **RTFirefly** , you should seriously consider whether you’re actually just a troll and that’s why you just can’t seem to stop acting like a stupid jerk. One wonders exactly how much evidence and reports have to pile up before people like you, who spread inflammatory bullshit all over GD, are finally extracted and thrown in the Incinerator of Banning like the cancerous growth they are on this community. I mean, **dave** is such a fine, upstanding poster. Frankly, to even begin to imply that perhaps he made an erroneous factual statement is so beneath contempt I’m surprised he didn’t actually come to your house and spit on you instead of showing such restraint with his ‘kyoot’ comment. For shame, **RTFirefly**. For shame. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/6 "2006-07-09T14:13:45Z")
I can just feel the love in this room. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/7 "2006-07-09T15:32:57Z")
There ain’t enuf smilies in the world… ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/8 "2006-07-09T17:57:25Z")
Oh, lordy. I know I used to like **Weirddave** ; I don’t know if his conduct in these threads has gotten worse or if I’ve just started noticing it more. Christ was that a pathetic display on his part. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/9 "2006-07-09T18:14:26Z")
Can someone catch a brother up? Is this one of those new-fangled Un-Pittings? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/10 "2006-07-09T18:17:53Z")
Oh grow the fuck up Kim. You don’t do sarcasm very well at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/11 "2006-07-09T18:44:09Z")
Remember, Dave. Move on. You’re both my pals. It hurts me right in my empty, deadened heart to see you two beating on each other. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/12 "2006-07-09T19:11:25Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Oh grow the fuck up Kim. You don’t do sarcasm very well at all. I guess I’ll just have to beg your forgiveness for that too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/13 "2006-07-09T19:13:02Z")
_bangs head into wall_ ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/14 "2006-07-09T20:10:56Z")
Yanno, as a MAD, this is simultaneously really amusing (since I am able to imagine this going on live-action) and kinda sad. However, y’all got lint older’n I, so ain’t no way I’m gonna try to play Jimmy Carter here. (I’m actually curious about how this plays out, but not enough so to load a GD thread about politics.) ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/15 "2006-07-09T20:26:26Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Remember, Dave. Move on. > > You’re both my pals. It hurts me right in my empty, deadened heart to see you two beating on each other. When did your heart first become “deadened?” Serious question. (In an attempt to disrail this stupidity) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/16 "2006-07-09T20:31:56Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > When did your heart first become “deadened?” He’s a published author. (Serious answer.) ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/17 "2006-07-09T21:53:12Z")
Huh. I thought he had to be an editor before that happened. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/18 "2006-07-09T23:14:53Z")
Sadly, I’ve committed editing in the past and feel so little remorse I’m planning to do it again. As for writing, the WSJ will do that to you. It’s part of their contract. But the worst is selling advertising. Trust me on this one. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/19 "2006-07-09T23:16:12Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Oh grow the fuck up Kim. You don’t do sarcasm very well at all. Best I’ve seen it done yet in **this** forum! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723/20 "2006-07-09T23:17:18Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > _bangs head into wall_ Yes, carry on with that! 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-rtfirefly-pits-self-for-being-unfair-to-weirddave/363723.md?page=2)