# In which Steophan hijacks an ATMB thread about misogyny by accusing Blasey Ford of false accusation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 18, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610 "2019-11-18T13:07:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/181 "2019-11-21T20:51:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Everyone read this carefully - Steophan would rather have, as a neighbor, a convicted child murder who shot at fleeing children, vs a stranger with no criminal record, because of a disagreement. I would rather have someone who stands up for themselves against violent and antisocial behaviour as a neighbour than the violent, antisocial cunts, yes. I’ve no doubt you’ll pretend you think otherwise, but as usual you would be lying. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/182 "2019-11-21T20:52:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Here it is, folks. Just in case it gets edited. What? I though we were having a “make ridiculous, unsupported allegations” competition. There’s no other logical reason for your posts… ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/183 "2019-11-21T20:53:35Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You are a proven liar, and a paedophile. This seems quite over the top for a message board discussion. You should probably reevaluate what would cause you to call someone a paedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/184 "2019-11-21T20:54:16Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Because old guys with no criminal record don’t go around shooting people for no reason. Right – only blacks attack violently for no reason with no history of violence. Must be that mary-joo-ana, right? You vile fucking racist. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/185 "2019-11-21T20:57:43Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I would rather have someone who stands up for themselves against violent and antisocial behaviour as a neighbour than the violent, antisocial cunts, yes. > > I’ve no doubt you’ll pretend you think otherwise, but as usual you would be lying. One would assume that convicted child murderers who shoot at fleeing children would count as “violent” and “antisocial”, but to each his own, I expect. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/186 "2019-11-21T20:58:18Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Hmmm…what about [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock) ? As a rule spree killers have a reason, however fucked up it might be. Certainly in this case there were plenty of signs that he wasn’t exactly normal, although the full details are unknown and probably unknowable. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/187 "2019-11-21T20:58:49Z")
> [@margin](#): > > If anyone wants the measure of what passes for Shodan’s “character” here it is. He KNOWS I’m a veteran, knows I’m a _combat_ veteran, knows that I do in fact have PTSD from Iraq, and this is how he treats that knowledge. > > I have in fact checked myself into a locked facility. I hear voices telling me to kill myself. I have hallucinations of smoke and burning metal and the smell of cordite and that particular smell of Army canvas and rubber, the smell of a gas mask. I have in fact tried to kill myself because the nightmares caused me to stop sleeping. I am only one veteran of many in that regard. I can count on the fingers of one hands the nights I have had without nightmares in a decade. I have flashbacks involving snipers pinning down my convoy from the rooftops. I have panic attacks in vehicles thanks to IEDs. Thanks to the VA’s oh-so-Shodan-esque mindset of “Women aren’t in combat,” I went years without help. I had video and a medal citation describing how my position had been over-run. My squad had left the base one morning early on in our deployment, gotten ambushed in the city, and spent a day and a night and part of the next day fighting house to house. The entire base listened in on the radio as we requested air strikes and reinforcement and ammunition after being surrounded by insurgents. The insurgents gave a safe conduct promise to the QRF and then attacked them —and we had to watch it happen. We stopped asking after that. > > Shodan knows just about all of this. > > He will, of course, lie about this. > > What he won’t tell you is that he has been smarmily attacking liberal women this evilly for decades. He has not changed. He’s only gotten worse. > > Shodan hates women and believes us all to be liars. He is slightly less venomous with liberal men, but this is his character, right here. > > Am I to believe that Shodan’s behavior is acceptable to conservatives? Then come take out your trash or it will be hung round your neck for good. Holy shit, thank you for this post. I’ve argued with **Shodan** before, but I hadn’t realized how utterly despicable he was. This is the kind of shit that changes my opinion of a person from “annoying but probably a decent person under it all” to “a person of irredeemably poor character.” ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/188 "2019-11-21T20:59:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Right – only blacks attack violently for no reason with no history of violence. Must be that mary-joo-ana, right? > > You vile fucking racist. This has nothing whatsoever to do with race, you’re the only one who’s mentioning it. You are the one fixated on it. And weed, for that matter. You seem obsessed with that as well. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/189 "2019-11-21T21:02:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > One would assume that convicted child murderers who shoot at fleeing children would count as “violent” and “antisocial”, but to each his own, I expect. If the kids “murdered” had been white you’d have been all for it. But Only Black Lives Matter to people like you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/190 "2019-11-21T21:07:42Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If the kids “murdered” had been white you’d have been all for it. But Only Black Lives Matter to people like you. I’m just wondering why you’re such a fan of a convicted child murderer who shot at fleeing children. Seems like a very strange person to admire, especially for someone who posts about opposing violence. One would think that people who truly oppose violence wouldn’t admire convicted child murderers who shoot at fleeing children. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/191 "2019-11-21T21:11:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How does he know you have PTSD? He and I have crossed paths for at least a decade—not just here— and I have been blunt about my PTSD the whole time. He has used variations of this attack repeatedly and I have repeatedly called him out. He just turns around and repeats the same shit over and over. He will not change or listen or grow. He just finds new lies to repeat ad nauseum. He will pointedly avoid addressing criticism, disappearing for a while if he has been especially evil. He has been attacking women with identical dishonesty for literally decades. I remember seeing him on the Ms. boards in the late 90s, when I was posting from a dodgy internet café in Yalta. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/192 "2019-11-21T21:12:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > As a rule spree killers have a reason, however fucked up it might be. Certainly in this case there were plenty of signs that he wasn’t exactly normal, although the full details are unknown and probably unknowable. Sure. And Michael Dunn’s reason is that the music was too loud. His sighting of a “fucking shotgun” has no corroborating evidence, yet you believe it, simply based on the word of a convicted murderer. Strange what you believe. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/193 "2019-11-21T21:12:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m just wondering why you’re such a fan of a convicted child murderer who shot at fleeing children. Seems like a very strange person to admire, especially for someone who posts about opposing violence. One would think that people who truly oppose violence wouldn’t admire convicted child murderers who shoot at fleeing children. It’s almost like you’re ignoring the multiple times I’ve explained this to you in this and many other threads. But surely someone like you, who makes such a big deal of arguing in good faith, wouldn’t do such a thing, right? It’s almost like you’re not the good guy you attempt to play on this and other boards, but are in fact a lying hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/194 "2019-11-21T21:13:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How do you know they threatened him with a “fucking shotgun”? Because when a white man----and only a white man----says it about a black kid, it MUST be true. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/195 "2019-11-21T21:16:15Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It’s almost like you’re ignoring the multiple times I’ve explained this to you in this and many other threads. But surely someone like you, who makes such a big deal of arguing in good faith, wouldn’t do such a thing, right? > > It’s almost like you’re not the good guy you attempt to play on this and other boards, but are in fact a lying hypocrite. Your explanation makes no sense. Dunn is a proven liar who was convicted of murdering a child and shooting at fleeing children. None of that is remotely admirable. In fact, it’s morally monstrous. I think that’s obvious to most folks, including the jury, but somehow you find it alien. Maybe you just need to think about it some more. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/196 "2019-11-21T21:18:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure. And Michael Dunn’s reason is that the music was too loud. His sighting of a “fucking shotgun” has no corroborating evidence, yet you believe it, simply based on the word of a convicted murderer. > > Strange what you believe. There’s more evidence of a shotgun than of Kavanaugh assaulting anybody. Dunn didn’t shoot them because the music was too loud, he asked them to turn it down. Then _something happened_ which caused him to feel it was necessary to shoot. This murder case, like the Zimmerman case, should never have gotten close to a courtroom, morally speaking. Self defence should be a basic human right. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/197 "2019-11-21T21:22:12Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > There’s more evidence of a shotgun than of Kavanaugh assaulting anybody. > > Dunn didn’t shoot them because the music was too loud, he asked them to turn it down. Then _something happened_ which caused him to feel it was necessary to shoot. > > This murder case, like the Zimmerman case, should never have gotten close to a courtroom, morally speaking. Self defence should be a basic human right. The “something” that happened was that the child behaved as children sometimes do, refusing to comply with a stranger’s request. So Dunn shot him, and then shot at the other kids who tried to flee. Thankfully, the jury recognized that Dunn’s testimony was dishonest, and was in direct conflict with the physical evidence and other witness testimony, and they convicted him. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/198 "2019-11-21T21:22:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your explanation makes no sense. My explanation makes perfect sense. I would rather live near those who stand up to violent, antisocial bullies than near the bullies themselves. I doubt you’d understand that, though. You may not be exactly a bully yourself but you are a champion gaslighter, and that’s close to it. Just takes more brains and, for all your flaws, you are obviously not stupid. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/199 "2019-11-21T21:23:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Precisely, and luckily for Zimmerman, he killed Martin, so we’ll never find out if any of those additional elements occurred. > You’re hillarious > Because Zimmerman killed an unarmed kid, so we’ll never get to hear the other side of the story > > Just because a woman drops the charges doesn’t mean she was lying. > **[An Unbelievable Story of Rape](https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story)** > > An 18-year-old said she was attacked at knifepoint. Then she said she made it up. That’s where our story begins. This woman was disbelieved by the cops and _forced_ to recant, charged, and fined. Her name was published in the paper. The rapist raped more women. He photographed them all with a camera he’d stolen from one of his first victims. How often does it happen? > **[Inside the NYPD's Special Victims Division](https://www.newsweek.com/inside-nypds-special-victims-division-67761)** > > How do you know who's lying and who's telling the truth about a rape? From no-name scoundrels to big-power suspects like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, these cops crack New York's most shocking sex crimes. In the 5th paragraph, a cop \* on the rape squad\* says, “I am betting that 9 times out of 10, if she asks for a female detective, the story is untrue.” Yeah, so…I could go on and on and on, but these guys are fans of the pussygrabber, so… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/200 "2019-11-21T21:23:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > My explanation makes perfect sense. I would rather live near those who stand up to violent, antisocial bullies than near the bullies themselves. > > I doubt you’d understand that, though. You may not be exactly a bully yourself but you are a champion gaslighter, and that’s close to it. Just takes more brains and, for all your flaws, you are obviously not stupid. So you seriously, honestly don’t see someone who shoots at fleeing children as “violent” or “antisocial”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=11)