# In which Steophan hijacks an ATMB thread about misogyny by accusing Blasey Ford of false accusation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 18, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610 "2019-11-18T13:07:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/281 "2019-11-22T19:14:13Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I just posted a comment and a link to a thread here in the Pit where I vented about the VA and PTSD, and I believe that was three years before the remark I quoted in the same comment. > > As I also said, Shodan has been well known to feminists for decades, and I first encountered him on the Ms. boards in the late 90s. He was engaging in the same tactics then. Yes, I saw the link. As has been pointed out to me in the past, certain discussions hurt some board members simply by having the discussion. As I definitely don’t want to do that, especially to a service member with PTSD, I’ve stopped discussing this. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/282 "2019-11-22T19:22:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, I saw the link. As has been pointed out to me in the past, certain discussions hurt some board members simply by having the discussion. As I definitely don’t want to do that, especially to a service member with PTSD, I’ve stopped discussing this. We have butted heads before, but this was a remarkably mature response, and I thank you for that. If people like SamuelA, Shodan, HurricaneDitka, or Steophan understood that, they would have a much better time here. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/283 "2019-11-22T19:26:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > We have butted heads before, but this was a remarkably mature response, and I thank you for that. If people like SamuelA, Shodan, HurricaneDitka, or Steophan understood that, they would have a much better time here. Best backhanded compliment I’ve read in a long time. You hear that, **manson1972**? You’re better than those guys! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/284 "2019-11-22T19:28:37Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Best backhanded compliment I’ve read in a long time. > > You hear that, **manson1972**? You’re better than those guys! I did nit mean it as a backhanded compliment. I don’t consider Manson to be in their league because, simply put, he doesn’t behave like they do. I think he does post provocatively on purpose sometimes, but he’s got limits. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/285 "2019-11-22T19:28:58Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, I saw the link. As has been pointed out to me in the past, certain discussions hurt some board members simply by having the discussion. As I definitely don’t want to do that, especially to a service member with PTSD, I’ve stopped discussing this. I appreciate that. I had forgotten, mercifully, some things from those posts. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/286 "2019-11-22T19:29:14Z")
Several posts came after this: > [@](#): > > Best backhanded compliment I’ve read in a long time. > > You hear that, manson1972? You’re better than those guys! Yay for me! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/287 "2019-11-22T19:32:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I did nit mean it as a backhanded compliment. I don’t consider Manson to be in their league because, simply put, he doesn’t behave like they do. > > I think he does post provocatively on purpose sometimes, but he’s got limits. Messing with you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/288 "2019-11-22T19:36:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Several posts came after this: > > Yay for me! Agreed. You’re a good guy. (:)) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/289 "2019-11-22T19:37:54Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Agreed. You’re a good guy. (:)) Now that’s taking it too far. I’m reporting this post for excessive insults. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/290 "2019-11-23T02:41:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So you admit to knowing, since 2011, that Margin is a veteran and that this affected her mental health; yet you’ve been a jerk about it for the last 8 years at least. > > You really ARE the perfect shitsipper. I forgot about that thread, and there, indeed, are a bunch of dopers pretending that the word “hysterical” does not have a centuries’ old, insulting, very gendered history. It almost seems like they avoided learning that. [What It Really Means To Call A Woman Hysterical - Dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/e/hysterical/) One of those links leads to a thread where I point out how I was \*at that exact moment \* on a base, where, if I were attacked by a fellow soldier, even though I had an M-16, I wouldn’t dare use the rifle in self defense. This was dismissed with disdain, but nobody asked for clarification. > **[The Rape of Petty Officer Blumer](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-rape-of-petty-officer-blumer-99154/)** > > Inside the military's culture of sex abuse, denial and cover-up Had they asked, I would have asked, in my turn, \*if I fought off \*and therefore prevented an assault, how would it be possible to prove an assault had almost been done? (I almost said “happened” but that makes it sound like there was no human action behind a guy attempting an assault.) Then, I would have pointed out how if you are a lower-ranking soldier and you accuse a higher ranking soldier of something which is not successfully prosecuted in court, _you are then prosecuted_ for insubordination and perjury. Given the attitudes in that thread about the 11-year-old rape victim, how can one not think, “\* If they refuse to see how they are blaming **that victim** how would they attack an adult?\*” How do you defend yourself against sexual assault—in other words, eliminate the assault----and prove it almost happened? That was how many years ago? Has anything changed here at all? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/291 "2019-11-23T03:03:03Z")
I’ll say it: margin, I’m sorry this has happened to you. You certainly don’t deserve being treated this way. As a member of a very Military family I’ve heard many bad tales of VA atrocities. I hope you don’t let someone on a message board make your suffering more intense. Thank you for your service. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/292 "2019-11-23T03:09:23Z")
Crap. Forgot. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/09/men-really-need-to-stop-calling-women-crazy/%3FoutputType=amp](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/09/men-really-need-to-stop-calling-women-crazy/%3foutputType=amp) On calling women crazy. On what happens to women.who are assaulted in the military. > **[The Rape of Petty Officer Blumer](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-rape-of-petty-officer-blumer-99154/)** > > Inside the military’s culture of sex abuse, denial and cover-up Officer in charge of sexual assault task force _arrested for sexual assault._ [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Officer-in-Charge-of-Air-Force-Sex-Assault-Prevention-Charged-With-Sexual-Battery-206330391.html%3Famp=y](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Officer-in-Charge-of-Air-Force-Sex-Assault-Prevention-Charged-With-Sexual-Battery-206330391.html%3famp=y) That last guy was acquitted. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/293 "2019-11-23T03:55:48Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Agreed. You’re a good guy. (:)) I disagree with manson1972 sometimes (I argued with him today even) but overall he seems cool, seriously. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/294 "2019-11-23T08:38:38Z")
> [@tricoteuse](#): > > I’m going to try to make this ill wind blow some good. I’m going to email the guy who does the veterans’ outreach segment on the local news and find out what I can do to help veterans and especially female veterans. Thank you. This should not be lost in all this. One sees stories on the news about veterans who died alone, without family, and people didn’t want him to die without mourners. Don’t wait till they’re gone. There are vets in vets’ homes who need rides or company or just about any human interaction at all. (Not just vets, but too many old people in general.) No one visits them. Old folks are amazing to talk to. I went to visit my Great Uncle Steve one time and mentioned that my brother and I had just seen \* Field of Dreams.\* “Shoeless Joe Jackson, huh? I used to play ball with him.” Go visit veterans. Offer rides. (Panic attacks regarding vehicles and anything on the side of the road are very common among OIF veterans.) Bake cookies, buy cookies, hang out. They can use your help now, in little practical ways. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/295 "2019-11-23T12:11:28Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Thank you. This should not be lost in all this. > > One sees stories on the news about veterans who died alone, without family, and people didn’t want him to die without mourners. > > Don’t wait till they’re gone. There are vets in vets’ homes who need rides or company or just about any human interaction at all. (Not just vets, but too many old people in general.) No one visits them. > > Old folks are amazing to talk to. I went to visit my Great Uncle Steve one time and mentioned that my brother and I had just seen \* Field of Dreams.\* “Shoeless Joe Jackson, huh? I used to play ball with him.” > > Go visit veterans. Offer rides. (Panic attacks regarding vehicles and anything on the side of the road are very common among OIF veterans.) Bake cookies, buy cookies, hang out. They can use your help now, in little practical ways. The country owes you huge honors, and apologies. Thank you for your comments and presence here. Your 2nd paragraph reminded me of [an episode of West Wing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqLIH2UiPXg) I wish we could have a President like Jed Bartlet. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/296 "2019-11-23T12:17:55Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I’ll say it: > margin, I’m sorry this has happened to you. You certainly don’t deserve being treated this way. As a member of a very Military family I’ve heard many bad tales of VA atrocities. > I hope you don’t let someone on a message board make your suffering more intense. > Thank you for your service. I’m gonna echo Beck. I’ve been trying to find words of support, but she said it very well. Thank you for your service. This country owes you better treatment. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/297 "2019-11-23T12:23:43Z")
Best wishes and love to **margin**! You are worthy and deserve good things in life! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/298 "2019-11-23T12:44:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I wish we could have a President like Jed Bartlet. I legit depressed myself a couple years back by binge watching that show again. The disconnect and contrast between all the highbrow-ness of discourse and ubiquitous professionalism and principled-ness of the people in the show (even Republicans !, not that the show was really shy about leftie self-critique) and the utter incompetent pants-on-headery of reality was emotionally painful. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/299 "2019-11-23T13:17:35Z")
I can’t watch shows with “presidential” presidents either. Even House of Cards is a too much of a reminder that competence and dignity used to be a given. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/300 "2019-11-23T15:57:24Z")
For me it’s _Designated Survivor_. President Kirkman is so thoughtful and humble on that show that it’s almost painful to watch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=16)