# In which Steophan hijacks an ATMB thread about misogyny by accusing Blasey Ford of false accusation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 18, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610 "2019-11-18T13:07:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/101 "2019-11-20T07:59:07Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Every LAST single thing here is a lie. And you know it’s all lies. It also neatly validates every accusation laid against you because the only thing missing is Qanon Nope, every part of it is true. Bill Clinton is a proven sexual abuser, who was proven to have perjured himself about it, and his wife tried to silence other accusers. Hillary provably, and illegally, put classified information on insecure servers. The proof in each case is their own statements. We know for a fact that Bill was friends with Epstein, at least as much as Trump was. We know the Hillary campaign obtained information from Russia to help the campaign. We know their charity is a sham. None of these things are disputable, they are terrible people, just not quite as bad as Trump. They’re probably no worse than the average politician, but that’s not saying a lot. Hillary showed throughout her entire career that she has no morals and little to no empathy, and cares only about power. Much the same as her opponent at the last election. Again, the **only** thing she has going for her is that she’s not quite as bad as Trump. As for the rest of your post, it’s just direct attacks on me that have no bearing on what I actually posted. You are incapable of looking beyond your own biases. Hillary liberal woman good. Trump White man bad. Kavanaugh conservative man bad. You need to move beyond such idiotic simplicity before your views are worth considering. And that’s true whether you are male, female, or anything else. Your malicious stupidity is the only characteristic I’m judging you on. If you can’t see that Clinton and Trump are far more similar than they are different, then you are the one with the problem. Oh, as for facts, the thing that made Kavanaugh unsuitable for the supreme Court was his views - the one thing that Ford’s false allegations and the Democrats promoting them managed to ignore. And “freakish public tantrum”? Yeah it was a little overboard, but certainly not an inappropriate response from a normal person to being falsely accused. Not ideal for a judge but not automatically disqualifying either. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/102 "2019-11-20T08:06:38Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And now **SamualA** is arguing that it’s possible that Ford forgot whether or not she consented. That she somehow remembers being traumatized by something she agreed to. > > This is how bad things are. People are so willing to disbelieve accusers, they come up with this. Arguing they are lying isn’t working anymore, so they indirectly gaslight them. “No, honey. You consented. Don’t you remember?” > > I had hoped this garbage was a thing of the past, here if not elsewhere. **SamuelA** was actually someone who never got on my ignore list, but now ignoring him is more than he deserves. > > The more I see this rape apologia, the less I believe it could possibly be an honest mistake. Not even incels try this nonsense. Do you understand that Ford did not accuse Kavanaugh of rape? You are literally inventing that for your own purposes, repeating a false fact to try to get people to side with you. You know, gaslighting. There is no rape apologia here. What there is, on my part, is a deep anger at people who falsely accuse others of crimes, especially crimes where the mere accusation is enough to fuck up someone’s life. And not only are their lies fucking up the lives of their victims, they are fucking up the lives of the real victims of rape and assault, who will find it harder to be believed. Anyone who is not angry at Ford’s actions has their priorities way out of order. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/103 "2019-11-20T08:18:19Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Do you understand that Ford did not accuse Kavanaugh of rape? You are literally inventing that for your own purposes, repeating a false fact to try to get people to side with you. You know, gaslighting. > > There is no rape apologia here. What there is, on my part, is a deep anger at people who falsely accuse others of crimes, especially crimes where the mere accusation is enough to fuck up someone’s life. And not only are their lies fucking up the lives of their victims, they are fucking up the lives of the real victims of rape and assault, who will find it harder to be believed. > > Anyone who is not angry at Ford’s actions has their priorities way out of order. Please tell me what your most generous interpretation of that incident you would be ok with occuring to your wife, sister, mother, daughter, grandmother, son, brother, father, garndfather, best friend, pet, or 8th grade art project. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/104 "2019-11-20T08:23:56Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Do you understand that Ford did not accuse Kavanaugh of rape?.. > … deep anger at people who falsely accuse others of crimes, especially crimes where the mere accusation is enough to fuck up someone’s life… > > Anyone who is not angry at Ford’s actions has their priorities way out of order. Are you _certain_ that Ford was lying? (Many here seem almost certain she was NOT lying. Are your farts more fragrant than theirs?) Or do I misinterpret? In your view Ford should have kept her trap shut, despite the truth of her allegation, if there was any chance that some right-wing punk, i.e. you, wouldn’t believe her. Is that the point? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/105 "2019-11-20T13:22:51Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Nope, every part of it is true. Bill Clinton is a proven sexual abuser, who was proven to have perjured himself about it, and his wife tried to silence other accusers. Hillary provably, and illegally, put classified information on insecure servers. The proof in each case is their own statements. We know for a fact that Bill was friends with Epstein, at least as much as Trump was. We know the Hillary campaign obtained information from Russia to help the campaign. We know their charity is a sham. None of these things are disputable, they are terrible people, just not quite as bad as Trump. They’re probably no worse than the average politician, but that’s not saying a lot. Every one of these ‘indisputable’ things is false to some degree. You have a funhouse mirror view of reality and a tenuous at best grasp of logic. I’m reminded of a Brad Pitt quote as David Wells in the movie Se7en… > [@](#): > > I’ve been trying to figure something in my head, and maybe you can help me out, yeah? When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you’re insane? Maybe you’re just sitting around, reading ‘Guns and Ammo’, masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, ‘Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!’? Yeah. Do you guys do that? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/106 "2019-11-20T13:36:48Z")
Fuck me! David Mills. The point stands. **Steophan** is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/107 "2019-11-20T14:12:32Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Fuck me! David Mills. > > The point stands. **Steophan** is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Just don’t look in the box. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/108 "2019-11-20T18:49:22Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Nope, every part of it is true. Bill Clinton is a proven sexual abuser, who was proven to have perjured himself about it. Nope. His “victims” sat with the pussygrabber at the debate and can STFU forever. The “perjury”? The Repubs tried to force him to abandon his 5th Amendment rights. > [@](#): > > and his wife tried to silence other accusers. HAHAHAHA…bullshit. That accusation was that she looked an “accuser” in the eye and said, “Thank you.” > [@](#): > > Hillary provably, and illegally, put classified information on insecure servers. The proof in each case is their own statements. Nope. You start with the premise, “Hillary is evil,” and shape everything to fit in accordance with that. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/10/18/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails-051380](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/10/18/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails-051380) > [@](#): > > We know for a fact that Bill was friends with Epstein, at least as much as Trump was. Nope. Bill too advantage of free plane rides. Trump went to parties and bragged about sexually assaulting women. > [@](#): > > We know the Hillary campaign obtained information from Russia to help the campaign HAHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD THIS IS SO GODDAMNED STUPID IT HURTS. > [@](#): > > We know their charity is a sham. This is pure Breitbart bullshit. [https://www.salon.com/2019/11/19/trumps-charity-woes-are-uncommon-if-not-unprecedented-and-could-get-more-costly\_partner/](https://www.salon.com/2019/11/19/trumps-charity-woes-are-uncommon-if-not-unprecedented-and-could-get-more-costly_partner/) > [@](#): > > None of these things are disputable, they are terrible people, just not quite as bad as Trump. They’re probably no worse than the average politician, but that’s not saying a lot. ``` https://me.me/i/911-whatis-your-emergency-tasked-a-man-to-defend-trump-without-fcff17aad41a4cbe9225de6ca4e6bfc3 ``` ALL of them are false. ALL of them are things Trump has been proven or admitted or even bragged about doing, and that SO bothers you that all you can do is shreik, “BUT HILLARY! HILLARY! HILLARY! HILLARY!” > [@](#): > > Hillary showed throughout her entire career that she has no morals and little to no empathy, and cares only about power. Your projection is truly disturbing. > [@](#): > > Much the same as her opponent at the last election. Again, the **only** thing she has going for her is that she’s not quite as bad as Trump. No wonder you like rapists so much. I’m sure you tell yourself that you only hate Hillary, but you’re lying. > [@](#): > > As for the rest of your post, it’s just direct attacks on me that have no bearing on what I actually posted. You’re a lying liar who has a particular fetish about falsely accusing women in an almost self-defensive way, as if to get in the first blows. The guilty flee where no man pursueth. You identify so strongly with Kavanaugh and reject reality so strongly that one has to wonder what you see in a credibly-accused predator like Kavanaugh which arouses your sympathies. And your attacks on Hillary makes your whines about lying women spectacularly revealing. > [@](#): > > You are incapable of looking beyond your own biases. Hillary liberal woman good. Trump White man bad. Kavanaugh conservative man bad. Says the guy vomiting up Faux Noise’ most paranoid, idiotic talking points. You are absolutely _terrified_ that somebody outside your paranoid Reichwing bubble is going to notice that Trump is the one: who’s hiding his taxes, who tells outrageous lies----so like your own---- who has had six bankruptcies; who has a long history of Russian connections; who slaps NDAs on everybody (which Hillary does not) who BRAGGED about Epstein’s friendship and access to VERY young girls, who BRAGGED about sexually assaulting women, who BRAGGED about creeping on very young girls, who worships dictators, whose charity was closed and who was banned from forever operating another charity, and so many more evil acts. I’ve refuted your lies repeatedly, but you’re lying to yourself most of all, probably because of a mix of guilt, stupidity, and identification with men who remind you of yourself. > [@](#): > > You need to move beyond such idiotic simplicity before your views are worth considering. And that’s true whether you are male, female, or anything else. Your malicious stupidity is the only characteristic I’m judging you on. Being called stupid by you is the surest sign I’m anything but, Trunt. > [@](#): > > If you can’t see that Clinton and Trump are far more similar than they are different, then you are the one with the problem. IF YOU CAN’T SEE THAT THIS WOMAN WHO EXISTS ONLY IN MY FANTASIES IS TOTALLY IDENTICAL TO THE RAPIST SCUMBAG TRAITOR I WORSHIP THEN YOU’RE NUTS. > [@](#): > > Oh, as for facts, the thing that made Kavanaugh unsuitable for the supreme Court was his views - the one thing that \*\*Ford’s false allegations \*\* and the Democrats promoting them managed to ignore. And “freakish public tantrum”? Yeah it was a little overboard, but certainly not an inappropriate response from a normal person to **being falsely accused.** But assholes like you falsely accuse women all day long while attacking honest women as liars. > [@](#): > > Not ideal for a judge but not automatically disqualifying either. This asshole’s hysterical attacks remind me of an NCO I escaped from soon after graduating from DLI. The barracks was gradually emptying out as troops got orders for leave or more AIT or their duty stations, and I was alone in my room. Only a few rooms on that floor had even one person in them. My platoon sergeant entered the room, closed the door behind him and locked it. I had just spent nearly a year of my life learning a foreign language, getting a security clearance, going to Basic training, where I spent the final week in the hospital and was so weak they wouldn’t let me march at my graduation. With a pen he could have destroyed my life by inventing shit just like this asshole here does about any woman who tells the awful truth about the evil men who does the things he wishes he could. He could get me tossed out, my platoon sergeant, given a dishonorable discharge, or worse. He would be believed. I would not be trusted, despite the fact that I had fought injuries and illnesses to get where I was. (Later on, at my next school, the whole platoon—most of whom had flunked a previous iteration of the course----got caught cheating, while I was exonerated for the simple reason I kept flunking one test repeatedly. Fuck you, Night Land Nav Test.) I looked in his eyes, this NCO, and I saw he was lying to himself, that the price of these lies was my life and welfare. He was married with children, a nice guy with decades in the Army. He would lose all that if he was caught. If I was believed. He looked in my eyes and saw only himself. I’m sure he really, really, really believed that _I_ was seducing him…as I turned white and backed away. What would happen if those lies he was telling himself got shattered? It would destroy him. Easier to destroy just a stupid female private, right? Women are SO dramatic, emotional, hysterical, hormonal, untruthworthy, attention-hungry…right? You can always trust men to tell the truth. The \* air\* changed in that room. I have no idea what I said or did, but I had just gotten a 2+3 in Russian, and I pretended to be as dumb as you could be and still walk. I have no idea. I don’t remember. I just remember it was 90 degrees and after I dodged around him somehow, clutching a laundry basket, I ran amd ran and then fell down and shivered for what felt like hours. It felt like the dead of winter. And then? I had to avoid him for days----this guy who had a master key—and put on an act and be hyper alert. I’m quite sure if I had pierced through his denials he would have killed me, because he had so much to lose. His illusion mattered too much to him. Guys whose lies are like that remind me of him. Guys who invent shit that “Hillary” did, guys who invent whole universes because they can’t handle reality. She’s the designated punching bag for everything, even criticisms of their beloved Mangolini are projected onto her, all because Trump promised them the chance to finally live his life with his magical tax breaks and open bigotry and sexual assaults. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/109 "2019-11-20T20:08:57Z")
Where on earth do you get the idea that I worship, or even like, Trump? The _whole fucking point_ of my post is that he is terrible, that he is so bad that he actually makes Hillary look less bad by comparison, which is a really fucking extreme level of badness. Like I said, if anyone else had done what Trump has done they’d be locked up. And no amount of your insane ranting will change the provable fact that Ford made a false accusation against Kavanaugh, with the explicit intent of ruining his career. That is NOT. FUCKING. ACCEPTABLE. under any circumstances, regardless of gender. She is not a victim, Kavanaugh did not assault her. It’s possible she is mistaken and truly believes that it happened, but with all the proof that the party she alleges they were at didn;t happen, that is difficult to believe. But carry on with your own set of crazy, false accusations. I’m not interested in abusing women (or anyone else), and I think people who do that - such as Trump, or Bill Clinton, are scumbags. I also think that Ford, by making an obviously false accusation, is making it harder for actual victims to be heard and to get justice - the latter being something that will always be extremely difficult - and as such is also a fucking scumbag. I’ve not invented a single thing Hillary did. I don’t need to. She is a lying, cheating, corrupt, thieving, traitorous enabler of sexual abuse. And, astonishingly, was only the second most evil candidate at the last election. Your defence of her is as absurd as the people who defend Trump. You, and they, are quite literally delusional. You, as much as they, are what is fucking up your country, and our world. Sort yourself out, listen when people fucking correct you on your basic errors, ditch your fucking victim mentality and partisan bias, and judge things based on the evidence not your preconceptions. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/110 "2019-11-20T20:12:19Z")
Well gee golly whiz, Steophan. I thought I’d put YOUR sorry lying fascist ass on ignore already. Well yer ignored NOW. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/111 "2019-11-20T20:18:25Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well gee golly whiz, Steophan. I thought I’d put YOUR sorry lying fascist ass on ignore already. > > Well yer ignored NOW. Yeah, you tried to ignore me that fucking well you opened a thread about me, you fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/112 "2019-11-20T21:50:52Z")
Trumpers gonna Trump. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/113 "2019-11-21T01:35:53Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Where on earth do you get the idea that I worship, or even like, Trump? The _whole fucking point_ of my post is that he is terrible, that he is so bad that he actually makes Hillary look less bad by comparison, which is a really fucking extreme level of badness. Like I said, if anyone else had done what Trump has done they’d be locked up. > > \*\*And no amount of your insane ranting will change the provable fact that Ford made a false accusation against Kavanaugh, with the explicit intent of ruining his career. \*\*That is NOT. FUCKING. ACCEPTABLE. under any circumstances, regardless of gender. > > She is not a victim, Kavanaugh did not assault her. It’s possible she is mistaken and truly believes that it happened, but with all the proof that the party she alleges they were at didn;t happen, that is difficult to believe. > > But carry on with your own set of crazy, false accusations. I’m not interested in abusing women (or anyone else), and I think people who do that - such as Trump, or Bill Clinton, are scumbags. I also think that Ford, by making an obviously false accusation, is making it harder for actual victims to be heard and to get justice - the latter being something that will always be extremely difficult - and as such is also a fucking scumbag. > > I’ve not invented a single thing Hillary did. I don’t need to. She is a lying, cheating, corrupt, thieving, traitorous enabler of sexual abuse. And, astonishingly, was only the second most evil candidate at the last election. > > Your defence of her is as absurd as the people who defend Trump. You, and they, are quite literally delusional. You, as much as they, are what is fucking up your country, and our world. Sort yourself out, listen when people fucking correct you on your basic errors, ditch your fucking victim mentality and partisan bias, and judge things based on the evidence not your preconceptions. You are lying. That’s it. That’s all. Ford does not consult with you. You default to “evil lying whore” when the accusation is against another woman-hating Reichwing rape fanboy. You look at women and you hate them. Yeah, that’s not suspicious at all. You’re ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/114 "2019-11-21T02:22:58Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > She is not a victim, Kavanaugh did not assault her. It’s possible she is mistaken and truly believes that it happened, but with all the proof that the party she alleges they were at didn;t happen, that is difficult to believe. What proof do you have that teenagers pointed a gun at Michael Dunn other than his say so? Why don’t you have any difficulty believing him? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/115 "2019-11-21T13:38:36Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Garland was rejected, by republicans, without consideration, (and you know this) because he was Obama’s pick. Correct. Democrats tried to reject Kavanaugh because he was a Republican. > [@](#): > > There’s no inconsistency in holding the belief that nobody is entitled to a seat on the supreme court and also that Garland’s purely partisan rejection was wrong. As I’m quite sure you understand. What you are missing is that the opposition to Kavanaugh was also purely partisan. > [@](#): > > That may be the reason why _some_ Democrats pushed for an investigation, but there _was_ evidence, as you know. No, you are mistaken. There was no evidence in favor of Ford’s allegation. She claimed it happened, but that’s not evidence. Kavanaugh denied it, which is also not evidence. The other people Ford says were at the party all denied it, including her best friend at the time, and that’s evidence, but not evidence that Ford was telling the truth. Of course, part of the difficulty is that it was never established where or when the party took place, let alone that it happened at all. It’s hard to come up with evidence for something when you don’t even remember where or when or if the something happened. > [@](#): > > I hope you have the decency to accept that a good many people pushed for an investigation because of very real concerns over the allegations of sexual assault, regardless of political leanings. None of them were on the Senate Judiciary Committee. And none of them are you. > [@](#): > > Fortunate for who? Fortunate for the country. The Democrats’ slimy tactics did not prevent a well-qualified, conservative justice from being seated. Well-qualified, conservative justices are good for the country. > [@](#): > > To my knowledge, there were no allegations made against Garland. > Again, _he_ was rejected without a vote, without a hearing, and without consideration. Heck, he was rejected before he was even proposed. > There was no consideration given to anything he had or hadn’t done or said in the past, his character, his record, his politics, his merits or faults, or any allegations or rumours about him. And he sure as shit wasn’t rejected because of some well-established “Biden Rule”(R); Mitch McConnell himself admitted as much. All quite true, and also irrelevant. Unless you are arguing that partisan considerations should never be taken into account, in which case they should not have formed the basis for calls to stall the hearings in hopes (ultimately dashed) of delaying until after the mid-terms. > [@](#): > > As for Kavanagh, while partisan politics may well have played some part in the challenges made against him (not the accusations themselves), they certainly played a huge part in his confirmation. Not “some part”. “Pretty much all”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/116 "2019-11-21T13:44:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > She claimed it happened, but that’s not evidence I’m not a lawyer, but I’m fairly certain that eyewitness testimony is “evidence” > [@](#): > > Well-qualified, conservative justices are good for the country Are they? In what way? Can you be specific? ---
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Republicans: we will make Obama a one term president! Fuck his nominee. Democrats: we have concerns over sexual assault allegations facing this nominee. Shodan: look guys, there are very fine people on BOTH sides, ok? ---
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> [@Babale](#): > > Republicans: we will make Obama a one term president! Fuck his nominee. > > Democrats: we have concerns over sexual assault allegations facing this nominee. > > Shodan: look guys, there are very fine people on BOTH sides, ok? It’s true that what the Republicans did with Garland was pretty unprecedented and the Kavanaugh opposition is not equivalent. Here’s a Politifact article on the subject: > **[Harry Reid says unlike the GOP, Senate Democrats never held up a Supreme...](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/20/harry-reid/harry-reid-says-unlike-gop-senate-democrats-never-/)** > > NBC Meet the Press’ Chuck Todd said there’s a degree of hypocrisy to the Democrats’ assertion that the Republicans have ---
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> [@Shodan](#): > > She claimed it happened, but that’s not evidence. That is, by definition, evidence you fucking nitwit. That is direct evidence. ---
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Shodan used to strike me as an honest poster, but he keeps lying about this specific case. I’m not sure why. But I don’t really engage with him much on it anymore because it’s so boring to point out the same lie he repeats about it (that the other potential witnesses all denied that the party took place - this is absolutely factually false, and yet he repeats it again and again) over and over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=7)