# In which Steophan hijacks an ATMB thread about misogyny by accusing Blasey Ford of false accusation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 18, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610 "2019-11-18T13:07:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/121 "2019-11-21T14:57:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Are you _certain_ that Ford was lying? (Many here seem almost certain she was NOT lying. Are your farts more fragrant than theirs?) > > Or do I misinterpret? In your view Ford should have kept her trap shut, despite the truth of her allegation, if there was any chance that some right-wing punk, i.e. you, wouldn’t believe her. Is that the point? Steophan, like Shodan, thinks that everything Democrats say is a lie, because that means HE’S not the asshole. But as you can see from the shit he peddles, his beliefs are so foul there’s no doubt that he is, in fact, a sphincter. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/122 "2019-11-21T15:10:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Correct. Democrats tried to reject Kavanaugh because he was a Republican.What you are missing is that the opposition to Kavanaugh was also purely partisan. No, it’s because he was **and still is** a lying drunk rapey piece of shit… who had DOZENS of serious complaints against him… PLUS 83 ethics complaints. Many complaints include allegations of false statements under oath during Kavanaugh’s D.C. Circuit confirmation hearings in 2004 and 2006 as well Even the American Bar Assoc had serious doubts about him. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/123 "2019-11-21T15:15:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Republicans: we will make Obama a one term president! Fuck his nominee. > > Democrats: we have concerns over sexual assault allegations facing this nominee. > > Shodan: look guys, there are very fine people on BOTH sides, ok? Yeah. Fucking lies and fucking hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/124 "2019-11-21T15:45:04Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Steophan, like Shodan, thinks that everything Democrats say is a lie, because that means HE’S not the asshole. Nope, not Democrats, just Clinton. Obama was one of the most honest politicians I can think of, and certainly the most - possibly the only - President in my lifetime I’d consider a generally honest person. Trump, of course, is the least honest. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/125 "2019-11-21T16:05:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Correct. Democrats tried to reject Kavanaugh because he was a Republican. Regardless of their motivations for voting against his confirmation, at least they did so _during the confirmation hearings._ I know you are at least intelligent enough to understand the difference between that and how that utter fucking vile snake McConnell refused to even allow a confirmation hearing for Garland because “it wouldn’t be fair for a lame duck president to appoint a SC justice.” But I’d bet McConnell would have no problem accepting a nominee from a lame duck Trump, and you’d be right here trying to justify how that’s OK too. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/126 "2019-11-21T16:31:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Nope, not Democrats, just Clinton. Obama was one of the most honest politicians I can think of, and certainly the most - possibly the only - President in my lifetime I’d consider a generally honest person. > > Trump, of course, is the least honest. Not just Clinton, isn’t it your position that Ford is ALSO a liar? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/127 "2019-11-21T16:34:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Shodan used to strike me as an honest poster, but he keeps lying about this specific case. I’m not sure why. But I don’t really engage with him much on it anymore because it’s so boring to point out the same lie he repeats about it (that the other potential witnesses all denied that the party took place - this is absolutely factually false, and yet he repeats it again and again) over and over. He did the same thing with that murderer Zimmerman. Any evidence he doesn’t like is unreliable, Trayvon Martin is dangerous because of his marijuana troubles and his tweets, but Zimmerman is a fine upstanding gentleman, and all testimony to the contrary comes from racists who hate him because he is white. Zimmerman, on the other hand, can’t be a racist, because he is actually NOT white, he’s half hispanic, so we can discount any allegations of racism on HIS end. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/128 "2019-11-21T16:47:30Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He did the same thing with that murderer Zimmerman. Any evidence he doesn’t like is unreliable, Trayvon Martin is dangerous because of his marijuana troubles and his tweets, but Zimmerman is a fine upstanding gentleman, and all testimony to the contrary comes from racists who hate him because he is white. Zimmerman, on the other hand, can’t be a racist, because he is actually NOT white, he’s half hispanic, so we can discount any allegations of racism on HIS end. I love the idea that weed makes you dangerous. To who? Doritos? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/129 "2019-11-21T16:52:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Trayvon Martin is dangerous because of his marijuana troubles and his tweets Ha ha no, Martin should probably have smoked more and chilled out, rather than attacking people who ask him what he was doing on private property. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/130 "2019-11-21T16:54:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Not just Clinton, isn’t it your position that Ford is ALSO a liar? Ford, as far as I know, is not a Democratic politician. She may not even be a liar, she may believe that her memories are correct and those of everybody she claimed would support her are wrong. That doesn’t change the falsity of her accusation, though. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/131 "2019-11-21T16:56:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not a lawyer, but I’m fairly certain that eyewitness testimony is “evidence” > > Are they? In what way? Can you be specific? Well, breaking the laws they’re supposed to uphold sure gives them that “both sides” view that Repubs whip out only when they’ve been caught fucking up. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/132 "2019-11-21T17:08:37Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Ha ha no, Martin should probably have smoked more and chilled out, rather than attacking people who ask him what he was doing on private property. Cite? Cause that’s not at all what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/133 "2019-11-21T17:51:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Cite? Cause that’s not at all what happened. Which part of that are you claiming didn’t happen? Quite apart from Zimmerman’s description of the event, which it’s fair to dismiss as potentially self serving, it’s an agreed fact that Zimmerman asked Martin what he was doing on someone else’s private property - the woman Martin was on the phone to during the incident confirms this, and Zimmerman’s injuries show that Martin did use force on him. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything to justify that use of force, and presumably the listener on the phone would have said if she heard any threat. Also, don’t forget that after Martin lost sight of Zimmerman, instead of going to his uncle’s house, he instead turned back to find Zimmerman. There was an awful lot of terrible reporting about this case, and it was clear from the trial that the media accounts had very little to do with the actual evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/134 "2019-11-21T17:59:07Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Which part of that are you claiming didn’t happen? > > Quite apart from Zimmerman’s description of the event, which it’s fair to dismiss as potentially self serving, it’s an agreed fact that Zimmerman asked Martin what he was doing on someone else’s private property - the woman Martin was on the phone to during the incident confirms this, and Zimmerman’s injuries show that Martin did use force on him. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything to justify that use of force, and presumably the listener on the phone would have said if she heard any threat. > > Also, don’t forget that after Martin lost sight of Zimmerman, instead of going to his uncle’s house, he instead turned back to find Zimmerman. > > There was an awful lot of terrible reporting about this case, and it was clear from the trial that the media accounts had very little to do with the actual evidence. Martin did not “turn back”, where Martin’s body was found disproves Zimmerman’s testimony, Martin was on an alley behind the house he was living at so saying he was on private property is disengenous. Finally, Zimmerman had no reason to stop him, other than his race, and he certainly had no reason to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/135 "2019-11-21T18:02:16Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not a lawyer, but I’m fairly certain that eyewitness testimony is “evidence” IANAL either, but you are confusing evidence with allegations. No one in their right mind (meaning people who are not like **Babale** and **iiandyiiii** ) would say that a claim establishes itself. Evidence would be more like if Ford said that five other people were there, including her best friend at the time, and all or some of them confirmed it. None of them did, so no evidence in favor of Ford’s story - the opposite, in fact. And again, it is hard to have evidence about something when even the one making the accusation isn’t sure when or where it happened. Regards, Shodan PS - hi, **margin** - seems like you were gone for a while - welcome back! What’s it like in the psych ward - did you make friends there? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/136 "2019-11-21T18:05:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Martin did not “turn back”, where Martin’s body was found disproves Zimmerman’s testimony, Martin was on an alley behind the house he was living at so saying he was on private property is disengenous. Finally, Zimmerman had no reason to stop him, other than his race, and he certainly had no reason to kill him. Martin was at or near the door of his uncles house at one point, then confronted Zimmerman further away from it, based on what Martin said to his friend on the phone and where the fight happened. It was a private, gated community of which Martin was not a resident but a guest, and that’s a good enough reason for someone who is a resident to ask why they are there. If you go back and read my posts on this issue when it first happened, you’ll see that I originally assumed it was manslaughter or the equivalent, due mostly to the terrible reporting. It was only as the actual evidence came in I changed my mind, and it’s clear that the jury agreed. The race of neither man is relevant. That Martin injured Zimmerman, however, is extremely relevant, and justifies Zimmerman’s shooting of him. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/137 "2019-11-21T18:07:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > IANAL either, but you are confusing evidence with allegations. No one in their right mind (meaning people who are not like **Babale** and **iiandyiiii** ) would say that a claim establishes itself. I’m sure actual lawyers can answer this question better than we can. But I never said it was “good” evidence. Just that it was evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/138 "2019-11-21T18:08:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Zimmerman’s injuries show that Martin did use force on him Zimmerman’s injuries had Martin’s DNA in and around them? (seriously asking, I don’t know) ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/139 "2019-11-21T18:09:45Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m sure actual lawyers can answer this question better than we can. But I never said it was “good” evidence. Just that it was evidence. I would say you are correct - but the alleged attacker’s claim it didn’t happen is just as much evidence in the opposite direction. Either side needs supporting evidence, and it’s clear that’s what **Shodan** observes is missing from Ford’s claim. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610/140 "2019-11-21T18:09:51Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No one in their right mind (meaning people who are not like **Babale** and **iiandyiiii** ) would say that a claim establishes itself. Cite? Or are you just making this up about me? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-steophan-hijacks-an-atmb-thread-about-misogyny-by-accusing-blasey-ford-of-false-accusation/843610.md?page=8)