# In which velvetjones finds out how gullible she really is **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 26, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207 "2006-09-26T13:47:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![velvetjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5f9b8f/32.png) [@velvetjones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velvetjones)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/1 "2006-09-26T13:47:37Z")
On my commute home yesterday evening I was listening to NPR as I often do to catch up on the news. A news story came on with regard to a new class action lawsuit against the tobacco industry. Apparently light cigarettes are not actually less bad for you. :eek: If you had driven by me at that moment you would have seen my mouth hanging open. I still can’t really believe it. I quit smoking almost 2 years ago but still, I smoked lights and ultra lights when I did smoke because I thought that if I was going to smoke at least I could smoke the cigarettes that weren’t quite as bad. Sucker! In the same news report they said that the government is going to force the tobacco companies to stop using the word Light and also the term Low Tar in the names of the cigarettes and in advertisement for exactly the reason named in the lawsuit, it’s misleading naive people like me into thinking that those cigarettes are safer or less harmful than the regulars. Boy do I feel stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/2 "2006-09-26T13:50:26Z")
Hu. What’s “light” about them, then? It seems like lower tar would have to be at least slightly less bad for you. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/3 "2006-09-26T13:55:17Z")
I don’t know about the tar, but the problem with Light cigarettes is that smokers inhale more deeply to get the same buzz that Regular smokers get. This is a problem because all the crap in the cig gets deeper into your lungs and more intractable. Like tumors. Wait, now that I think about it, I recall reading something about how lower tar means nothing to the healthiness of the cigarette. ---
**Author:** ![Mindfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindfield/32/19759_2.png) [@Mindfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mindfield)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/4 "2006-09-26T13:55:22Z")
I’ve never really concerned myself with how healthier (or not) “light” smokes were. In fact, I never really even thought about it that way – mostly, “light” and “extra light” were simply milder, less harsh than their stronger counterparts. That’s the only reason I also smoke extra-light. (Although “smooth” seems to be coming into vogue as a replacement for “light”) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/5 "2006-09-26T14:03:45Z")
Yeah, people get confused; they’re called “light” because they burn more brightly, not because there’s less tar in them. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/6 "2006-09-26T14:14:54Z")
[QUOTE=niblet\_head] Wait, now that I think about it, I recall reading something about how lower tar means nothing to the healthiness of the cigarette. [/QUOTE] I’m pretty sure that I see that stated on every advertisment for light cigarettes. I can’t find any print ads at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![velvetjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5f9b8f/32.png) [@velvetjones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velvetjones)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/7 "2006-09-26T14:56:50Z")
I was just so sure that “low tar” meant “kill you slightly less quickly”. Oh well, now I’m Ultra happy that I quit. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/8 "2006-09-26T15:32:21Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] Yeah, people get confused; they’re called “light” because they burn more brightly, not because there’s less tar in them. [/QUOTE] 😛 Like I’m gonna fall for that one! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/9 "2006-09-26T17:05:55Z")
Yes, “light” just means that they weigh less. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/10 "2006-09-26T17:41:59Z")
I smoke lights cause they taste better. That’s what I equate light to mean; a lighter, less harsh taste. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/11 "2006-09-26T17:54:39Z")
Reversing the proposed logic of the suit, this implies that the stinkiest, nastiest dog-rough, tar-oozing Woodbine or Galouise is no worse for you than a Silk Cut. I don’t buy it. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/12 "2006-09-26T17:56:02Z")
And of course I don’t mean “reversing the logic”, I mean applying the logic to the other end of the market. Mon mal. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/13 "2006-09-26T18:16:09Z")
I do hope I’m not the first person to inform y’all that filtered cigarettes are not better for you than “straight” unfiltered ciggies either – ?? ---
**Author:** ![velvetjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5f9b8f/32.png) [@velvetjones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velvetjones)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/14 "2006-09-26T18:54:52Z")
[QUOTE=AHunter3] I do hope I’m not the first person to inform y’all that filtered cigarettes are not better for you than “straight” unfiltered ciggies either – ?? [/QUOTE] Gah! Has tobacco really just addled my brain after all these years? Filtering does nothing? Don’t get me wrong. There’s absolutely no question and never was that cigarettes are bad for your health. But I really grew up believing there were degrees of badness: Unfiltered = the worst Full strength filtered = not quite the worst Light = just slightly less bad (but still really, really bad) But yes **jjimm** that’s what they’re saying, Marlboro Reds aka Cowboy Killers are no more toxic than Virginia Slims Ultra-lights and that the tobacco industry has tricked us gullible consumers into believing that somehow smoking lights wasn’t as bad for us as smoking full strength ciggies leading thousands of smokers to switch to light brands rather than quit. There’s a thread [over in the pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=389724) discussing the merits of the case if anyone is interested. No difference…I still can’t believe I was so stupid…[sub]and I’m still glad I quit[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/15 "2006-09-26T19:15:17Z")
Interesting things about filters – you can _see_ they’re doing _something_, because the filters gets brown and disgusting-looking (I never smoked, but I had relatives who did. And do.), but it doesn’t necessarily help as much as you thought. Or possibly aty all. I’m told that they make some folks such _harder_, which just pulls more stuff into your lungs. And the Kent “Micronite” filter, IIRC, was actually made with _asbestos_. > **[Kent (cigarette)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_cigarettes)** > > Kent is an American brand of cigarettes, currently owned and manufactured by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company in the United States and British American Tobacco elsewhere. The brand is named after Herbert Kent, a former executive at Lorillard Tobacco Company. > Widely recognized by many as the first popular filtered cigarette, Kent was introduced by the Lorillard Tobacco Company in 1952 around the same time a series of articles entitled "cancer by the carton", published by Reader's Digest, scared Amer... [http://www.tobaccocontrol.neu.edu/TCU/tcu03.2,3/Mass/lacy.htm](http://www.tobaccocontrol.neu.edu/TCU/tcu03.2,3/Mass/lacy.htm) This site claims they don’t, but is careful to say “after 1956”. There are plenty of other sites stating that they contained asbestos from 1952 to 1956 [http://tobaccodocuments.org/bliley\_lor/93143310.html](http://tobaccodocuments.org/bliley_lor/93143310.html) ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/16 "2006-09-26T19:38:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Gah! Has tobacco really just addled my brain after all these years? Filtering does nothing? I wouldn’t say “nothing”… have you never accidentally lit the wrong end and got a good raunchy hit of scorched synthetic-nylonesque melty fiter-material goodness in your mouth/lungs? When you’re smoking normally, you aren’t incinerating those plastic-polymer threads, but you’re drawing some pretty darned hot smoke through them. On the one hand, they’re supposed to remove some of the harmful gick from the tobacco smoke; on the other hand, common sense says that it can’t be all that good for you to heat up a bunch of plastic fibers and then directly inhale the fumes from it. ---
**Author:** ![Slypork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@Slypork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slypork)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/17 "2006-09-26T19:53:23Z")
Geez! All these years I thought they were called light cigarettes because they had fewer calories! Man, am I pissed! I’m going to demand my money back. Along with my lung, my throat, my tongue… ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/18 "2006-09-26T20:03:30Z")
**velvet** you might like to try [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=389724) pit thread, and talk to **Airman Doors** about your gullibility. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/19 "2006-09-26T20:31:22Z")
Still don’t buy it. Many years ago I had nothing else to smoke, so I smoked a pack of unfiltered Gauloise one night, and coughed up blood the next day. Absolutely disgusting. Never happened before or since smoking my supposedly light ciggies. I think the substance of the suit is that “lights” is bullshit - I can buy that - but I still think there is some distinction. Even if the “dragging deeper” thing is true. ---
**Author:** ![Agonist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@Agonist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agonist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2006, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207/20 "2006-09-26T23:46:35Z")
I saw an interesting documentary several years ago which claimed there was no difference between Light and regular tobacco - the difference was in the paper. Apparently, the paper has small strategically placed holes in it, which dilutes the “strength” of the smoke you’re breathing in. Regular smokers of light brands, it was claimed, subconsciously learn to hold the cigarette so that they pinch the air holes shut. I am not a smoker, nor do I play one on TV. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-velvetjones-finds-out-how-gullible-she-really-is/374207.md?page=2)