# In which ways (if any) has Democratic strategy changed to prevent a repeat of 2016?

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**Created:** [July 2, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-ways-if-any-has-democratic-strategy-changed-to-prevent-a-repeat-of-2016/1003618 "2024-07-02T08:37:53Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-ways-if-any-has-democratic-strategy-changed-to-prevent-a-repeat-of-2016/1003618/35 "2024-07-03T15:41:10Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> This is aspirational

…so hold on a second: when you said “vote for Biden because he will establish universal healthcare”, you didn’t really mean it?

> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> But there’s no easy path to this, it would take a lot of negotiaton within the party, and won’t happen until we actually have that majority in congress.

But it won’t even happen then, right? It isn’t really aspirational at all. Outside of the progressive block, there isn’t support for universal healthcare at all. So why did you say it?

This is exactly what I’m _talking_ about. You don’t think that by now that people don’t know this? That the reason why they aren’t campaigning on this is because the Democrat leadership have no intention of making it happen?

This isn’t aspirational. Its simply “messaging.” And it isn’t even messaging coming from the Democrats.

> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Because last time they had the majority in all three, Roe v Wade was the law of the land, so there didn’t appear to be any reason to codify it.

Another stupid strategic mistake. Who didn’t see this coming?

But even if they did codify it, I’m pretty sure the Supremes would have figured out a way to undermine it. Which is why any plan to codify it _now_ is unlikely to get any traction. It’s too late. I don’t think you are going to win the senate, let alone get enough votes to actually make a difference.

The reasons why my criticisms sound no different than the exact same things I’ve heard about Democrats for your entire life is because the Democrats have simply been outplayed. The plan to take the Supreme Court started _decades_ ago. People sounded the alarm bells but nobody listened.

> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Biden sucked in one debate.

I’m not even _talking_ about the debate. To push this “aspirational” agenda through they need to capture the senate, the house and the presidency in big enough numbers to overcome internal dissent. And it needs unified leadership to push what is plainly a progressive agenda.

But the progressives aren’t in charge. And the centrists will do what they always will do, which is to push back on any moves to the left.

> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> and I think Democrats will continue to make the stakes as clear as they can through the rest of the campaign.

And I don’t think that will be enough. And I don’t think even if they did everything I suggested, it would be enough to squeak out a win. But at least you wouldn’t be going down without a fight.

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