# Inblourious Gasterds Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 8, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280 "2009-09-08T14:18:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/261 "2009-09-13T00:56:39Z")
By the way, another theory on the lynch with a tie: Perhaps the person who first had a lead dies? If so, it would actually be DC as he briefly held a lead when I self-defense voted for him. FS sent it back to a tie, if I’m counting correctly, by unvoting. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/262 "2009-09-13T01:33:49Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > 1. The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. If there is a tie, whoever got there first on an increasing vote count or last on a decreasing vote count dies. Guys why does this keep coming up? It’s right in the opening rules how ties are resolved. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/263 "2009-09-13T01:50:11Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Guys why does this keep coming up? It’s right in the opening rules how ties are resolved. Reading the rules is for chumps! But yeah, that seems straightforward enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/264 "2009-09-13T02:02:26Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Guys why does this keep coming up? It’s right in the opening rules how ties are resolved. :smack: Thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/265 "2009-09-13T02:04:03Z")
Okay, I’m sorry if Darth is having IRL problems, but there’s not much we can do if people don’t post at all. **unvote TexCat** **vote Darth Sensitive** And FOS **Normal Phase** , for that bit about how we went so long without a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/266 "2009-09-13T02:05:57Z")
Jaysus. I do school stuff for two days and the game jumps ahead 3 pages. I don’t blame the voters, though I’m quiet when I’m both scum and town generally. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/267 "2009-09-13T02:10:43Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Ok I’m going to take a different route and vote for the first voter of the Day, because of how long we went with no votes at all – I know from experience that sort of situation gives Scum an itchy trigger finger. They have more people to worry about than the rest of us do (as we have no Masons). So that would be **texcat**. 6 hours is a very long time. **Vote Normal Phase** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/268 "2009-09-13T02:18:27Z")
And I’ll do what I said. **Unvote DigitCamera** **Vote NormalPhase** For what I said before and others are now seeing. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/269 "2009-09-13T02:38:07Z")
Mahaloth, I’ve pointed out twice now that the lag of the first vote was only part of my reason for voting **texcat** , and you continue to mis-characterize me by omitting the rest. **ColdPhoenix’s** quick defense of **texcat** based on an obvious joke vote from **peeker** was part of it, too, along with my strong feeling that somebody had to do SOMETHING to keep the day from running away into a useless bandwagon. I’ve said all of this from the beginning; I said it again after you trivialized my motives the first time. What’s going on here? You’re not even making the one really plausible argument that you could make – that I might be trying to get my scummy teammate ( **Diggit** ) out of hot water by any means necessary. The way you’re putting it is just … pointless. It’s almost like you don’t really believe I’m scum. Because I think that would have occurred to you as a possible reason for my vote, otherwise. **vote Mahaloth** For bandwagoning, for mis-characterization, and for FOS-ing me without even thinking of the one actual Scum motive I could have had for voting how I did. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/270 "2009-09-13T02:54:04Z")
Well, Darth has appeared, so I suppose I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. **Unvote Darth Sensitive** I still think my best lead so far is that one of the three “me too” bandwagon jumpers on Diggit’s wagon is scum; I have no idea which of BillMC, ColdPhoenix, and Mahaloth that would be, but seeing as how only one of them has any votes right now I’ll go ahead and **vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/271 "2009-09-13T02:59:10Z")
I get votes because I have votes? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/272 "2009-09-13T03:24:42Z")
**unvote Darth** **vote Normal Phase** I’ve been out on real life stuff before and gotten shivved for it, so I’m giving Darth the benefit of hte doubt and acting on my FOS. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/273 "2009-09-13T10:37:18Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I still think my best lead so far is that one of the three “me too” bandwagon jumpers on Diggit’s wagon is scum; I have no idea which of BillMC, ColdPhoenix, and Mahaloth that would be, but seeing as how only one of them has any votes right now I’ll go ahead and > vote Mahaloth You accuse us of bandwagoning, then you jump on a Mahaloth bandwagon? Kettle, pot, black. **vote Tom Scud** for being hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/274 "2009-09-13T11:15:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > First, is Darth Sensitive even playing? > > He has signed up and confirmed his PM. That is all. > > I think it’s lame to kill Diggit or me, honestly, when one someone is more or less gliding along, not voting, hiding, and slipping past everyone. > > Am I crazy to think that? yes i get it. lynch (or prod or express distaste, etc.) the lurker is almost always expressed. however, it is the loud that have a track record of going bye bye. i honestly, don’t get it either. however, having said that if we didn’t get rid of the loud then folks like **ed** (off board) would never die. and i see that **darth** has shown up so let me ponder for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/275 "2009-09-13T11:17:11Z")
neta: likeed should be like **ed** cripes i can’t type without more coffee. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/276 "2009-09-13T12:56:42Z")
> [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > 6 hours is a very long time. > > **Vote Normal Phase** [color] \ but here’s the deal **darth**. this game is compressed so time is a little more of the essence. but this sounds odd > [@Normal Phase](#): > > I know from experience that sort of situation gives Scum an itchy trigger finger. They have more people to worry about than the rest of us do (as we have no Masons). \ shouldn’t this read scum have less people to worry about at this point? this is how i think it through. 15 folks. i’m town, that’s all i know. so there are potentially 14 other people that could be out to get my butt. 15 folks. i’m scum. but thank god i at least have one other teammate (a team of one goon scum makes little sense - then they would just be a powerless pfk in the set up as written) so there are some number less than 14 that i have to worry about. isn’t a number smaller than 14 less than 14? the only way that this computes is if i am scum and have a teammate or so and therefore i am a team of say two, three or four (or whatever) and i know that i am playing against the rest of the group, say 13, 12 or 11 (or whatever). now i do have **more** folks to worry about. **[color=red]unvote darth** **vote normal phase** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/277 "2009-09-13T13:34:25Z")
> [@](#): > > shouldn’t this read scum have less people to worry about at this point? No, that’s not how it should read, as my parenthetical comment about Masons should have made clear. Scum (and Masons) have to worry not just about themselves getting lynched on Day One, but also about their teammates. Day One bandwagons are so nearly random that any given one has a higher chance of hitting the Scum team in aggregate than it does of hitting any individual Town player. That’s what I mean about Scum having more to worry about than any random Town player does (in the absence of Masons). Please remove your vote or find another justification for keeping it where it is; this one is just plain wrong. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/278 "2009-09-13T13:46:01Z")
I read it to mean that the Scum have more enemies to worry about, not teammates, but then the Mason comment doesn’t make sense. Still, I don’t think that is a votable offense. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/279 "2009-09-13T13:47:36Z")
Oh, okay. I get it now. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/280 "2009-09-13T14:18:04Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > No, that’s not how it should read, as my parenthetical comment about Masons should have made clear. Scum (and Masons) have to worry not just about themselves getting lynched on Day One, but also about their teammates. Day One bandwagons are so nearly random that any given one has a higher chance of hitting the Scum team in aggregate than it does of hitting any individual Town player. That’s what I mean about Scum having more to worry about than any random Town player does (in the absence of Masons). > > Please remove your vote or find another justification for keeping it where it is; this one is just plain wrong. but you are making my point. let’s assume a scum team of three just for discussion purposes (the math works for any team greater than zero). let’s assume that we are at point zero theoretically. now obviously we have posts, votes and interactions but i read your post to be more generic than case/game specific. so twelve non scum three scum. assume then that these votes are spread evenly because of the lack of any influence to the contrary. so everyone gets 6/7 of a vote (i also assume that you don’t vote for yourself since you know you are not scum). now the scum walk in and they have knowledge of each other. so they spread their three votes among the twelve they know that are not on their team. so the other twelve all get 1/4 of a vote (now i know that votes only come in whole numbers so i am just working on statistical spreads). at this point each non scum has 31/28 of a vote and each scum has 24/28 of a vote. now scum, cumulatively have 2 5/7 of votes but individually each has less than one vote. because lynches are person specific and not team specific the 24/28 is better (or worse if you prefer) odds than 31/28. ipso facto less. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280.md?page=15)