# Inblourious Gasterds Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 8, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280 "2009-09-08T14:18:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/561 "2009-09-22T20:36:21Z")
Things we now know: 1. We have at least one doc who knows what he’s doing, since we had two kills before the vig died and two kills afterwards. Things I wish I knew: 1. Why did Nanook lie and say he was a serial killer? Or was he telling the truth (and did he have incentive not to do so?) and the reveals are inaccurate? 2. Related to 1), does the fact that Mahaloth is supposedly a scum goon in the reveal indicate a) that he was actually a scum goon or b) that the mods are screwing with us. Also, pending an explanation from ColdPhoenix, his comment sounds an awful lot like “I’m happy the doc lied about being an SK and then got lynched!” **vote ColdPhoenix**. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/562 "2009-09-22T20:37:36Z")
NETA: On the other hand he posted it at night so who the crap knows for sure what he meant, it’s as good a place as any for an early-day vote though. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/563 "2009-09-22T20:48:47Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Things we now know: > > 1. We have at least one doc who knows what he’s doing, since we had two kills before the vig died and two kills afterwards. > > Things I wish I knew: > > 1. Why did Nanook lie and say he was a serial killer? Or was he telling the truth (and did he have incentive not to do so?) and the reveals are inaccurate? > 2. Related to 1), does the fact that Mahaloth is supposedly a scum goon in the reveal indicate a) that he was actually a scum goon or b) that the mods are screwing with us. I think Nanook lying about being SK is particularly odd. If he was really pissed at us for lynching us (b/c he had been genuinely busy off board) wouldn’t he say I’m the Town Doc, so killing me makes no sense? (I.e., don’t lynch me toDay and then toNight, I can self protect.) Granted we might not have believed but it’s a lot smarter than “I’m the SK.” Who’s going to say, “Oh, well, all right then, let’s NOT lynch the SK?” It makes me think that the gastardly thing is that the mods told him he was SK and maybe he just figured, “Fuck it, what’s the point?” I’m wondering about that, too. In fact, I’m wondering if anyone got the “correct” roles. > [@](#): > > Also, pending an explanation from ColdPhoenix, his comment sounds an awful lot like “I’m happy the doc lied about being an SK and then got lynched!” I noticed he did do that at night as you said. But it’s still weird…it’s not like anything good comes of **Nanook** dying as he was a power role. I note that AllWalker earlier on said that he thought we should maybe role claim. I was wondering if he had sort of put any thoughts or hints about what we should do but I didn’t see anything. If he really was Town Cop and had a wealth of info he seems to have kept it to himself. > [@AllWalker](#): > > There were 2 NKs Night 1, and 2 during Night 2. This is good. Either there are (well, were) only 2 killing roles or someone was either roleblocked or doc-protected. This is an indication of good things for Town. > > On the other hand, the deaths so far are have been really bad - 6 dead Townies, though losing the Vig might be a good thing in the long run. Compulsory Vigs are only good when they are lucky. > [@AllWalker](#): > > Out of **Nanook** ’s posts, only 2 seem to have much content (208 and 348). It’s odd, because his last post here (4 days ago) says he is in the middle of something and he’ll be right back. > > If he is on the board but not posting here, that is lurking at it’s worst. Sometimes I am too tired and busy, and the thought of wading through a Mafia game to build a case is too daunting, but I always try. If I really couldn’t, I would tell people in the thread. > > FOS Nanook for the commiting 1st degree Lurking > [@AllWalker](#): > > **ColdPheonix** , I wouldn’t worry. No one is going to vote for someone like you based on post count alone, as you are actually contributing. Still, the more everyone posts the better it is for Town - up to a point. > [@AllWalker](#): > > If the Cop has discovered Scum or SK by now I would be disappointed that they haven’t come forward. In that case, I would suggest that any Cops come forward toMorrow - 3 confirmed Townies, if nothing else, would aid Town enormously. Generally the rule is Cops should claim if they discover a badguy OR confirm 3 Townies. > > Oh, but some of the confirmed Town might be dead already. I don’t know, but it seems we are growing desperate. I think we should seriosuly consider either full claiming or partial claiming (ie, only Docs or Cops or something claim) toMorrow - depending on what happens during the Night. Maybe he was going to role claim later and got killed off for it. If anyone can see anything breadcrumbed in his last posts, feel free. I don’t see anything. He did mention **ColdPhoenix** but he wasn’t FOSing. Unless he was being really subtle about it. I’m going to look over **ColdPhoenix** ’s posts next. Of course, if he IS scum, it’s an odd thing to say…wouldn’t you be paranoid of saying something like that? I dunno. I’m getting worried. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/564 "2009-09-22T21:00:35Z")
And finally, I’m looking over **ColdPhoenix** ’s posts to see if there’s anything to **Zeriel** ’s suspicions. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Not voting wasn’t a strategy. I had no strong suspicions on anybody and didn’t see the point in doing a “me too” vote on **Darth**. No strong suspicions, he didn’t really commit himself anywhere on day 2. Or yesterDay for that matter. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Re my previous post. I didn’t see the point as he was being lynched whatever I did when it came towards the end of the day. > > I don’t think it is a good plan to lynch the lurkers unless we actually look at peoples’ posts and strip out the fluff. A lot of people have got a lot of posts asking for/serving drinks at night and discussing things that aren’t game related. I don’t have a problem with that but if I get lynched because I don’t join in with that then that’s not good play. > > The question I’m asking myself now is, should I post lots of stuff unrelated to the game and start “me too” just to avoid the lynch? Pointing out that there are fluff posts. It’s a good point that there are a lot of fluff posts at night, but at the same time, I think most of the people who were posting at night were also the ones doing most of the day time posting. This comes off as defensive to me–a way of defending the fact that he hasn’t contributed all that much. You don’t have to post fluff–you can post suspicions, ideas, strategy, anything. Just don’t be dead weight. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > I mentioned it earlier, basically because I didn’t have strong feelings in any way about who got voted out as nobody had raised my suspicions. It was clear that \*\*Darth \*\*was getting lynched, a vote for him or anyone else wouldn’t have changed that so I didn’t see the point. > > The same thing’s happening today. **Nanook** ’s being lynched purely due to lurking. There’s no real evidence that he/she’s scum. But to stop my non-voting being raised again. > > **Vote Nanook** > > It feels like a me too vote and that I’m jumping on this bandwagon that’s formed. \*\*Nanook \*\*nor anyone else has raised my suspicions. People are not giving anything away and (possibly as we haven’t lynched scum yet) the voting records aren’t helping. I’m just voting as I get questioned when I don’t vote, again it looks like \*\*Nanook’s \*\*going whether I vote or not. > > I think the fact that \*\*Darth \*\*wasn’t scum should show that my not voting wasn’t an issue. If I were scum I’d have jumped on that bandwagon to get rid of town. A solid “me too.” I mean, he basically admits he’s just going along with the crowd. Which is what scum tries to do but usually are smart enough not to call attention to it. They try to slip by, voting people they clearly know are town, and often they don’t have good reasons and they just jump on a bandwagon. Here’s a guy TELLING US HE’S VOTING BAND WAGON. As for not voting **Darth** , he didn’t vote for anyone else that day either. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Given that it’s all been town that have been killed and we are fast approaching half the population gone, I think the no scum but a few serial killers is looking more likely. I can’t think of any way to identify them other than cop reports though. Hopefully we have cops and they get lucky tonight. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > True. I was just saying that the no scum possibility is (in my opinion) looking more likely. It would also be gastardly! 😉 > > (Bolding mine) Good point. Making or agreeing with the points that others have made. A lot of “me toos,” no real substance. It’s like his play strategy is don’t make waves. Someone who’s town might be afraid of getting lynched erroneously but a townie would also try to open up discussion. I think he’s scum who’s just trying to float on by. For those reasons, **Vote ColdPhoenix.** ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/565 "2009-09-22T21:31:51Z")
Well nice to see I (and Zeriel) was right about Mahaloth’s slip on Day 2. So we either have another vig, or an sk in play; and looks like Nanook chose well on N1, and N2 to prevent additional kills. I’m not quite seeing the case against ColdPhoenix, I’ll need to have a re-read later tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/566 "2009-09-22T22:01:52Z")
Current vote count **ColdPhoenix (2):** Zeriel, Freudian Slit **Not Voting:** Zsofia, DiggitCamara, BillMC, ColdPhoenix As of now **ColdPhoenix** will by lynched at Dusk. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/567 "2009-09-22T22:46:16Z")
Well, NOW we got somethin’ to talk about! To the afterlife: thank you, Nanook, for claiming before the end, otherwise we wouldn’t have dick. So. If he claimed truly (and I don’t know why you’d claim SK otherwise unless you were a real jerk who hates the game, and I know Nanook has played a lot) then either: 1. the reveals are lies 2. our role PMs are lies Nanook claimed to have been blocked - of course, we can’t assume any blocks are the actions of power roles instead of mods. My question is, what’s the feeling on whether we should roleclaim so we can find out what’s going on vis a vis the roles? On the one hand, having a list of claimed roles that include lies may not help us figure out what’s going on with the modding, but it might give us a clue. On the other hand, is it in our best interests to “play against the mods” rather than proceed as in a regular game and play against the scum? Also, I guess the mods could always change their MO if we figure it out. One assumes they can read. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/568 "2009-09-22T23:14:12Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Also, I guess the mods could always change their MO if we figure it out. One assumes they can read. Goddamit, you are going to make me use the tag aren’t you? [Gasterds Honest Truth] The game is playable and there are rules, you just don’t know them. We won’t go changing things up on you if you start to figure them out.[/ght] Jerkface ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/569 "2009-09-22T23:42:34Z")
Okay, Known Fact: at least one mod can, in fact, read. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/570 "2009-09-22T23:50:47Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Well, NOW we got somethin’ to talk about! To the afterlife: thank you, Nanook, for claiming before the end, otherwise we wouldn’t have dick. > > So. If he claimed truly (and I don’t know why you’d claim SK otherwise unless you were a real jerk who hates the game, and I know Nanook has played a lot) then either: > > 1. the reveals are lies > 2. our role PMs are lies > > Nanook claimed to have been blocked - of course, we can’t assume any blocks are the actions of power roles instead of mods. > > My question is, what’s the feeling on whether we should roleclaim so we can find out what’s going on vis a vis the roles? On the one hand, having a list of claimed roles that include lies may not help us figure out what’s going on with the modding, but it might give us a clue. On the other hand, is it in our best interests to “play against the mods” rather than proceed as in a regular game and play against the scum? > > Also, I guess the mods could always change their MO if we figure it out. One assumes they can read. Well… **Nanook** said he’d tried to kill off **Freudian Slit** and failed. > [@Nanook](#): > > By the way, Freudian Slit is 99% likely to be a doctor that self protected last Night. I tried to kill em and failed. Do with that what you will, Town or Scum. If we take his statement at face value, he could have been blocked, his powers could have been shorted, or any other number of options. We could ask **Freudian** , of course, but even if she answers, we can’t be certain whether she is scum who’d be covering her tracks or whether she’d be telling the truth. We’ve certainly forgotten about one point in the setup of this game, though: > [@Hoopy Frood](#): > > That being said, part of the game in bastard mafia is figuring out what makes it bastard. The current anomalies certainly are part of the setup. Does anyone see a pattern yet? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/571 "2009-09-22T23:52:05Z")
I’m leery of assuming that the roles are inaccurate–clearly at least one of our doctors knows he’s a doctor, since we have kills not happening. And we have not had the rash of deaths-by-missing-required-actions that we would have had if SKs/Vigs got the wrong roles. I think this is barking up the wrong tree–the game is intended to be winnable, after all. I’d be more inclined to think that the reveals are wrong than the PMs. I’d be further inclined to think that the reveals, if wrong, are wrong in a way that has a pattern–generally I interpret “Gastardly” as “off-kilter” or “very different from the norm”, not “impossible” or “random”. If we have a cop alive who has any information that can confirm or deny a similarity between your investigation results and the death reveals, consider that it might be helpful when deciding whether to claim today. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/572 "2009-09-22T23:57:42Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Well… **Nanook** said he’d tried to kill off **Freudian Slit** and failed. > > If we take his statement at face value, he could have been blocked, his powers could have been shorted, or any other number of options. We could ask **Freudian** , of course, but even if she answers, we can’t be certain whether she is scum who’d be covering her tracks or whether she’d be telling the truth. For what it’s worth, I don’t have a power role. If someone did protect me, thanks…I’m just as in the dark as everyone else. I don’t know why **Nanook** would say that if he really had the role that he did. I’m inclined to think something’s up but…what? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/573 "2009-09-23T00:04:46Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m leery of assuming that the roles are inaccurate–clearly at least one of our doctors knows he’s a doctor, since we have kills not happening. And we have not had the rash of deaths-by-missing-required-actions that we would have had if SKs/Vigs got the wrong roles. > > (snip) Just curious: how do you know we have “kills” (plural) not happening? So far the only evidence we have for a kill not happening is **Nanook** ’s word for it. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/574 "2009-09-23T00:11:21Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > For what it’s worth, I don’t have a power role. If someone did protect me, thanks…I’m just as in the dark as everyone else. I don’t know why **Nanook** would say that if he really had the role that he did. I’m inclined to think something’s up but…what? And thus we have one answer: “any other number of options” like I said previously. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/575 "2009-09-23T00:31:06Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Just curious: how do you know we have “kills” (plural) not happening? So far the only evidence we have for a kill not happening is **Nanook** ’s word for it. We had two kills the night before Gryff (notationally a Vig) died. We had two kills the night Gryff died. We had two kills after Gryff died. Therefore, since all kills are obligatory as far as I remember from the rules, at least one kill (on Night One) has been blocked. Probably two (counting whatever Gryff did the night he died) unless there’s a priority of operations that resulted in him being killed before he could kill. Hence, “kills”. Nanook’s word doesn’t mean anything at all to me. Of course the above analysis is totally invalid if the reveals are faulty, but I discussed that possibility too. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/576 "2009-09-23T00:38:13Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Goddamit, you are going to make me use the tag aren’t you? > > [Gasterds Honest Truth] The game is playable and there are rules, you just don’t know them. We won’t go changing things up on you if you start to figure them out.[/ght] > Jerkface Hmmm…however, we never did discuss how many points a mod gets for calling a player “Jerkface”. Minor oversight, really. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/577 "2009-09-23T00:40:04Z")
I just don’t see why Nanook would lie at that point, although I suppose it’s always possible. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/578 "2009-09-23T01:46:46Z")
That’s kinda what it boils down to–did Nanook make an inexplicable play or are the mods screwing with the death reveals? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/579 "2009-09-23T02:01:55Z")
If **Nanook** had played more, I think we’d have a better feel. As it is he was barely there and we just got a lot of him lurking followed by a pissy outburst. I’m half inclined to think he was just annoyed b/c of his off board stuff and because he came back to find a lynch mob–literally, so he decided to fuck with us. If this weren’t a gastard game, I’d chalk it up to him just being at the end of his rope and kind of just flipping us the bird. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280/580 "2009-09-23T07:19:47Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Based on? This just strikes me as a really odd thing to say. You made a comment in post #543 about how maybe everybody shows up town on death. \*\*Zeriel \*\*asked the question to mods and didn’t get an answer. \*\*Nanook \*\*had claimed to be a seriel killer but then was shown as town upon his death. I thought we’d cracked it! That was what made the game gastardly, it seemed clear to me (and I thought everyone else) that we now knew what was going on. All of the above led to my comment. As I saw it we hadn’t necessarily lost 9 (or however many) town but potentially killed some scum too! Therefore things didn’t seem as bleak as before. Of course, that line of logic has now, with the death of **Mahaloth** , been shown to be incorrect. Now to go back and review the thread in more depth. We’ve finally got a goon and so some info will hopefully be revealed! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inblourious-gasterds-mafia/509280.md?page=30)