# Incel: Involuntary Celibacy! (and cray-cray) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2013, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332 "2013-02-25T08:17:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/41 "2013-02-26T12:28:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I have qualms about his getting laid, as I have a hard time imagining him doing anything that isn’t pretty disgusting. “Baby wants to fuck! Baby wants to fuck Blue Velvet!” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/42 "2013-02-27T07:51:14Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Does he offer any reason why he doesn’t pay for sex? It’s not like he appears to have any moral qualms about how he gets laid. Because he wants a Free Girl. But he needs to be a manager first. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/43 "2013-02-27T08:00:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Because he wants a Free Girl. But he needs to be a manager first. You had to go there. YOU HAD TO GO THERE. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/44 "2013-02-27T13:37:48Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Because he wants a Free Girl. But he needs to be a manager first. What was that dude’s name? ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/45 "2013-02-27T13:51:26Z")
This is not a troll. He is a legitimate fucking lunatic. And anyway, anyone who spends that much time and effort creating a troll persona has become the thing he pretends to be. ---
**Author:** ![wedgehed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8edcca/32.png) [@wedgehed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wedgehed)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/46 "2013-02-27T14:13:12Z")
Why can’t he just masturbate, like the rest of us? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/47 "2013-02-27T16:48:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s not clear to me how anyone could come to the belief that the government should provide that for the people…even the people that lack the skills to get it on their own. Why would he think that? It’s actually pretty clear why…because he is not a healthy, rational person. His number one “dear god what’s WRONG with this guy” issue isn’t sex, it’s whatever his mental illness is - if his obsession wasn’t sex, he’d channel his irrationality into some other pursuit, like birtherism, or UFO conspiracies. ---
**Author:** ![Gggfs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba9def/32.png) [@Gggfs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gggfs)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/48 "2013-02-27T17:50:47Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > He doesn’t regard other people, or at least women, as human beings on par with himself. He views them as livestock to provide for his “needs” or some sort of machinery that can be jiggered to deliver what he wants on command. The wants, needs, and feelings of women are not as important as his, in his world view, as he statements on rape clearly show. > > Way back when creatures like him would just purchase a slave girl (or boy, or whatever) that could be forced to deliver what he wants on command. Society doesn’t have that option any more. If it would shut him up I’d say pass the hat and send him to a hooker but I suspect that wouldn’t really solve the real problem here. The real problem? Actual several, and we’ll start with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and a woeful lack of empathy for others. This is utter nonsense. My program has nothing to do with slavery. Also, I never said rape isn’t a traumatic thing, I just said that incel can be worse in many cases. But you’re just full of empathy for incel men, right? :rolleyes: > [@Jenaroph](#): > > It’s actually pretty clear why…because he is not a healthy, rational person. His number one “dear god what’s WRONG with this guy” issue isn’t sex, it’s whatever his mental illness is - if his obsession wasn’t sex, he’d channel his irrationality into some other pursuit, like birtherism, or UFO conspiracies. Why do you think I’m obsessed with sex at all? That’s utter nonsense, especially now that I take anti-depressants. > [@wedgehed](#): > > Why can’t he just masturbate, like the rest of us? > > 😕 Don’t lie. Most people are having sex and relationships. > [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Well, at least for this gentleman in particular, I’d say the biggest problem is that he’s utterly certifiable. When you admit to begging your mother for sex — not to mention calling her a whore when she doesn’t comply — you’ve gone far beyond an average MRA’s sense of entitlement; you’ve hit Time Cube Guy-level insanity. I am not calling her a whore becuase she didn’t want to have sex with me but because she did nothing to help me for 10 years. And I’m not even an MRA, check About me section of the blog. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@The\_Dord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Dord)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/49 "2013-02-27T18:14:55Z")
:smack: he’s here now… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/50 "2013-02-27T18:16:12Z")
> [@Gggfs](#): > > Also, I never said rape isn’t a traumatic thing, I just said that incel can be worse in many cases. And yet you provide not one scrap of proof for that. Tell me, is this “incel” frequently paired with bone-breaking beatings? Are there cultures were men are stoned to death for involuntary celibacy? > [@](#): > > But you’re just full of empathy for incel men, right? :rolleyes: Actually, I am. I am happy to give them advice on what women are actually looking for and things they can do to improve their chances of getting a date and even developing a relationship. I will say that badgering your mother for sex is not a very productive way of getting your weenie waxed. Announcing to the world you did this is also not going to increase your appeal to women. If you claim that that is not what you did then ask yourself why so many people - men included - are interpreting your words that way. Beyond that, I _am_ puzzled why you do not avail yourself of the services of a professional if unable to convince a woman to have sex with you for free. Granted, this is not legal in many jurisdictions but assuming you live in the US there are places in Nevada that operate legal brothels and would be happy to accommodate your needs. The ladies are, after all, in business to please their customers. Granted it’s not a real relationship but it would serve to relieve the worst of your frustration, enable you to get some real experience with a woman, and help you work on the “real relationship” part of the problem with a clearer head. > [@](#): > > Why do you think I’m obsessed with sex at all? That’s how you come across. I do understand that how someone appears to be on the internet is not always what they’re like in real life, but even if you don’t agree with the feedback it might pay off to reflect on what you’re doing to give people that impression. > [@](#): > > Don’t lie. Most people are having sex and relationships. It’s also very common for people who are in relationships to continue to masturbate in addition to having plain old sexual intercourse. It may be due to differing levels of sexual desire, one partner being injured or ill, prolonged absences, or sometimes it’s fun to watch your partner get him/herself off. Masturbation between relationships is also very popular. When you’re so horny you can barely think it may not be as satisfying as a wonderfully fulfilling relationship but it does satisfy to a degree and it does get that itch scratched. I don’t know about you, but I think a lot better when not distracted by itchiness. > [@](#): > > I am not calling her a whore becuase she didn’t want to have sex with me but because she did nothing to help me for 10 years. And… what exactly did you expect her to do? Look, if you want some advice and/or help in getting a date that’s possible, but you’ll have to tone down the hostility (yes, you are coming across as hostile and angry) and observe the “don’t be a jerk” rule. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/51 "2013-02-27T18:28:52Z")
Place your bets ladies and gents. I give him until March 3rd. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/52 "2013-02-27T18:52:27Z")
That’s the “over”. The “under” is an hour ago. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/53 "2013-03-11T06:18:13Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s also very common for people who are in relationships to continue to masturbate in addition to having plain old sexual intercourse. It may be due to differing levels of sexual desire, one partner being injured or ill, prolonged absences, or sometimes it’s fun to watch your partner get him/herself off. > . Who have you been talking to:eek: Anyway, **Gggfs** sounds like serious Bates material. Dude is one breakdown away from serial killer rapist ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/54 "2013-03-11T21:46:18Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > Who have you been talking to [Dan Savage](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDkn9ZyFRM) recommends masturbation as an aid to vaginal orgasm. ---
**Author:** ![harmonicamoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@harmonicamoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmonicamoon)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/55 "2013-03-12T01:07:14Z")
Are we being set up? First comes an introduction to incel, then he shows up? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/56 "2013-03-12T01:11:21Z")
> [@Mississippienne](#): > > \<\\> > > [Responding to accusations about his behavior] > > You wanted to rape your mother ! > > _Actually, all I did was beg her for sex a couple of times I was very, very frustrated and sex starved. I did not want to have sex with her any other time than those few times nor do I want to now._ > > \*My mother, the murderous whore, is refusing to have sex with me when that could alleviate my sexual frustration. > \* Solve incel with incest? Inconceivable! ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/57 "2013-03-12T09:39:28Z")
No, it is conceivable so make sure you use protection! ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332/58 "2013-03-12T13:40:38Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > No, it is conceivable so make sure you use protection! oh my :eek: :shudder: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incel-involuntary-celibacy-and-cray-cray/651332.md?page=2)