# Incredibles 2 "Seen It" Thread (Spoilers After First Post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237 "2018-06-17T00:29:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/21 "2018-06-18T15:36:27Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > In the version of the movie I saw, Bob stayed up all night to teach himself a new method of doing math so he could teach it to his son, patiently read his infant to sleep at least three separate times, correctly sought help when he was overwhelmed, and put aside his pride and hurt feelings to support his wife’s opportunity. He didn’t do a great job handling his teenage daughter’s love life, but what parent ever does? And he did all of this without ever once using his actual superpower. The only message in the movie I saw about fathers is that they’re just as capable as mothers at holding down a household, and then can get just as run down and overwhelmed. If every father were Bob Parr, the world would be a lot more functional. Very much agreed. He was an admirable character. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/22 "2018-06-18T16:57:01Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Very much agreed. He was an admirable character. Right. I had this same conversation with my wife. The movie certainly acknowledges the “fathers are doofuses, har har” stereotype, and plays around its edges, but I think fairly ends up with Bob not falling into it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/23 "2018-06-18T17:22:57Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Two things that had felt to me like they were going to be resolved, but then never were: > (1) They never ended up catching The Underminer He’s probably in Paris, watching Bomb Voyage do his mime show. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/24 "2018-06-18T17:43:29Z")
Disney issued a warning for photosensitive epilepsy. There’s flashing lights. > **['Incredibles 2': Theaters post warnings due to seizure concerns | CNN](https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/18/health/incredibles-2-seizures-warning-bn/index.html)** > > Warning signs have been posted in theaters showing Disney Pixar's "Incredibles 2" for fans with photosensitive epilepsy. The movie contains scenes of flashing lights. We plan to see the Incredibles 2 later this week. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/25 "2018-06-18T20:02:30Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > He figured out the math and (eventually) helped Violet out with her problem. It was realistic but still annoyed me that what delayed helping Violet was Violet and her stubborn refusal to even discuss the problem with Bob, the only person who could guess what happened. Her reaction in the restaurant got the biggest laugh in the theater for my showing, even more than Jack-Jack’s fight. I liked the callbacks to the “Jack-Jack Attack” short, and would have liked to see babysitter Kari make a cameo. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/26 "2018-06-19T18:15:51Z")
Anyone else notice that the Parr’s temporary mansion looked a lot like Tony Starks house from _Iron Man_, especially the interior? Wonder if that was on purpose, or am I just reaching. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/27 "2018-06-19T18:41:48Z")
The loaner house supposedly “belonged to a billionaire who liked to be able to leave secretly”, so it has lots of hidden exits. Sounds like a Batman-type, which I thought they were going to acknowledge, maybe by having the kids find hidden weapons. (Or possibly a supervillain, heck, maybe the Underminer, who would again have hidden weapons.) The other thing I noticed was that Dash forgot he that he can run on water. (My husband said he wouldn’t be able to bring Violet and Jack-Jack with him, but I was surprised he didn’t impulsively run off without them anyway.) It seems like they could have improvised a boat with Violet’s force field for a hull and Dash’s kicking feet as an engine. (Didn’t they do something like that with their mother in the first one?) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/28 "2018-06-19T18:46:22Z")
I did like the reference to Common Core math. > [@Dante\_G](#): > > Anyone else notice that the Parr’s temporary mansion looked a lot like Tony Starks house from _Iron Man_, especially the interior? Wonder if that was on purpose, or am I just reaching. Yes I thought that too. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/29 "2018-06-19T18:49:21Z")
Sorry if this is something I’m whooshed by, but is the character of Dicker deliberately meant to resemble Tommy Lee Jones? ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/30 "2018-06-20T01:39:23Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > In the version of the movie I saw, Bob stayed up all night to teach himself a new method of doing math so he could teach it to his son, patiently read his infant to sleep at least three separate times, correctly sought help when he was overwhelmed, and put aside his pride and hurt feelings to support his wife’s opportunity. He didn’t do a great job handling his teenage daughter’s love life, but what parent ever does? And he did all of this without ever once using his actual superpower. The only message in the movie I saw about fathers is that they’re just as capable as mothers at holding down a household, and then can get just as run down and overwhelmed. If every father were Bob Parr, the world would be a lot more functional. I agree. From the trailers I thought it’d be leaning a lot more on the “incompetent dad” trope, but it was mostly subverted. Bob actually did quite well when you consider everything he had to deal with. Anyway, I saw the movie with my 9-year-old and 6-year-old. We all loved it. Jack Jack was the biggest hit with the kids, especially the 6-year-old. The short before hand kind of went over everyone’s heads a bit. My 6-year-old was still horrified at the end that she’d eaten the bun, and didn’t really understand that the mother and son sitting next to each other crying were reconciling – to her it seemed like an entirely sad ending, and I had to hurriedly whisper some explanation. My 9-year-old thought the bun had turned into the son somehow, and found the whole thing thoroughly weird. And I thought the mom imagined the whole thing with the bun because she missed her son (I guess including imagining the bit where the other kids could see him and wanted to play with him?) But I’m not 100% sure I have that right. I also found it a bit disturbing at the start when she finds the crying baby bun at a bottom of a bowl of others she’d just eaten. Were they _all_ babies, and in her haste she consumed all but one of them? (The ending makes that seem unlikely, but that was a long time to wait to figure out if she’d committed cannibalistic infanticide.) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/31 "2018-06-20T01:53:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Sorry if this is something I’m whooshed by, but is the character of Dicker deliberately meant to resemble Tommy Lee Jones? He looks like Nixon to me. Winston Deavor looked like Walt Disney to me though… ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/32 "2018-06-20T04:05:23Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Sorry if this is something I’m whooshed by, but is the character of Dicker deliberately meant to resemble Tommy Lee Jones? The no-nonsense government agent with a memory eraser certainly struck me as a _Men in Black_ reference back when I saw the original _Incredibles_. ---
**Author:** ![curious11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ac91a4/32.png) [@curious11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curious11)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/33 "2018-06-20T17:17:55Z")
“No one ever asked me to uncrush something before” Hee-Hee The funniest part to me was the restaurant scene. Violet’s reaction was hilarious! I also liked Voyd “helping” Elastic girl into the plane, the raccoon scene, the fire retardant scene… yeah, I liked the whole thing. The opening short was okay right up to the end where only the woman could make a good dumpling. That bothered me. Yeah I know the idea was to show that the new woman would also be able take care of the son, and it still bothered me. Men can make dumplings! ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/34 "2018-06-20T18:02:20Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > I agree. From the trailers I thought it’d be leaning a lot more on the “incompetent dad” trope, but it was mostly subverted. Bob actually did quite well when you consider everything he had to deal with. > > Anyway, I saw the movie with my 9-year-old and 6-year-old. We all loved it. Jack Jack was the biggest hit with the kids, especially the 6-year-old. > > The short before hand kind of went over everyone’s heads a bit. My 6-year-old was still horrified at the end that she’d eaten the bun, and didn’t really understand that the mother and son sitting next to each other crying were reconciling – to her it seemed like an entirely sad ending, and I had to hurriedly whisper some explanation. My 9-year-old thought the bun had turned into the son somehow, and found the whole thing thoroughly weird. And I thought the mom imagined the whole thing with the bun because she missed her son (I guess including imagining the bit where the other kids could see him and wanted to play with him?) But I’m not 100% sure I have that right. > > I also found it a bit disturbing at the start when she finds the crying baby bun at a bottom of a bowl of others she’d just eaten. Were they _all_ babies, and in her haste she consumed all but one of them? (The ending makes that seem unlikely, but that was a long time to wait to figure out if she’d committed cannibalistic infanticide.) Yeah, the “Bao” short animation seems to be a case of “good concept, but delivered poorly and ended up confusing or horrifying instead of awww-ing.” ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/35 "2018-06-20T18:48:54Z")
Another thing about the movie I liked was that during the runaway train scene, Elastigirl was making rapid, intelligent suggestions about possible ways to stop the train with technology before she did it physically. Considering that she was talking to Evelyn, is it possible that one of Elastigirl’s suggestions would have worked, and Evelyn was lying about it? Wouldn’t surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/36 "2018-06-20T22:31:36Z")
> [@curious11](#): > > The opening short was okay right up to the end where only the woman could make a good dumpling. That bothered me. Yeah I know the idea was to show that the new woman would also be able take care of the son, and it still bothered me. Men can make dumplings! I think you’re reading an awful lot into a sample size of 3 dumpling makers… and in particular, note that if the dumpling making conformed to gender stereotypes it clearly shattered race stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/37 "2018-06-20T23:32:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Yeah, the “Bao” short animation seems to be a case of “good concept, but delivered poorly and ended up confusing or horrifying instead of awww-ing.” I agree. And although I knew the son had to come back after being “eaten” I was horrified by how that might happen. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/38 "2018-06-20T23:57:09Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I think you’re reading an awful lot into a sample size of 3 dumpling makers… and in particular, note that if the dumpling making conformed to gender stereotypes it clearly shattered race stereotypes. I figured that it made a certain amount of sense that a woman trying to impress her mother-in-law might try a bit harder than a young adult who had been resisting his mother’s traditions for some years. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/39 "2018-06-21T01:33:28Z")
Nitpick from the trailer: I didn’t like Elastigirl going off on the motorcycle without a helmet. It’s a kid’s show ferpetesake. ---
**Author:** ![Just1Lurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@Just1Lurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just1Lurk)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/40 "2018-06-21T02:45:56Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > Another thing about the movie I liked was that during the runaway train scene, Elastigirl was making rapid, intelligent suggestions about possible ways to stop the train with technology before she did it physically. Considering that she was talking to Evelyn, is it possible that one of Elastigirl’s suggestions would have worked, and Evelyn was lying about it? Wouldn’t surprise me. Hmm, I’m not sure. The way I see it, at this stage Evelyn wanted her brother’s plan to succeed. This would 1) bring a lot of supers out of hiding (so she could mesmerize them), and 2) provide a pretext for a gathering of world leaders and supers in a highly publicized setting (so she could sabotage it with maximum impact). Although the identity of the villain _was_ telegraphed, I was surprised at the sudden, almost casual way she got the better of Helen. A nicely animated scene. I also found her interesting in that her beef against supers is that they make the rest of us weak, and they contribute to the larger overall problem - we’re spectators instead of doers. Slaves to the screen, if you will. And yet, she could be talking about herself. She’s all about safe rooms, with walls between her and risk; always using proxies to fight her battles (including her brother, in a way). And when in the final battle she loses her supers, her instinct is to flee - to another safe room no doubt - instead of, say, donning some Syndrome-esque tech and fighting directly. Speaking of Syndrome, the bad guy in both Incredibles movies was an emotionally isolated genius inventor with unresolved Daddy issues. Is Brad Bird trying to tell us something? Finally, my favorite bits were Jack-Jack, Edna, and especially Jack-Jack & Edna. My favorite Violet moment, however, was Invisible Girl getting the ice cream. I sure hope we don’t have to weight 14 years for The Incredibles 3. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=3)