# Incredibles 2 "Seen It" Thread (Spoilers After First Post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237 "2018-06-17T00:29:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/81 "2018-06-29T19:40:26Z")
It would have been interesting if Pixar had done what it did with Toy Story 3 - make the storyline keep pace with real-life time. In the same way that Andy was a teen going to college after having been only a boy the last Toy Story came out, Jack-Jack could have been a preteen, his older sibs could be in college or beyond, the parents could have been well into middle age, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/82 "2018-06-29T19:41:46Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > True, but that was still a creative choice by the filmmakers. Nobody compelled them to make a film that picked up literally the minute where the last one left off. They could’ve had a few years pass where people slowly start getting used to supers in the world and then have them face a criminal of particular notoriety or ill intent. > . People _were_ used to Superheroes before. I think the seque was perfect. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/83 "2018-06-29T20:02:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > What would you all have rather seen them do in the sequel? They could have gone the opposite of the original; after defeating Syndrome superheroes become legal again, and the Parr’s newfound celebrity turns them into blasé jerks or stretches them too thin (especially Helen) when everybody wants a piece of them, but stories like that have been done before. this time, we got, atleast partially, what happens to someone whose parents weren’t saved by the superhero. Its often mentioned in passing that ‘superman can’t be everywhere all the time’ - this time we get a story of someone where they certainly weren’t (regardless of reason) and we even got ‘both sides’ of it from the same incident - one who wants them back, one who wants to make sure they don’t. Face it - we now have more ‘superhero’ and comic book based movies then ever - they all start to blend together - but atleast Bob Parr questioned his incredibleness and learned new math - that’s growth people, that’s growth. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/84 "2018-06-29T20:08:37Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Of course it’s not exactly the same, just like GOLDFINGER and A VIEW TO A KILL are not exactly the same. But the overriding principle–villain has deep-seeded grudge against supers so exploits them to advance their own agenda–is one that you’d be hard-pressed to find in almost any other superhero movie out there (and there are a ton). Syndrome was a psychopath and far more destructive in the corpses he left in his wake, but their common thread is still “Revenge shall be mine for what the superheroes did to my life” and that is such a relatively rare\* chip for a villain to carry in a superhero movie that using it twice consecutively is particularly conspicuous. > > So that itself makes them more similar to each other, despite the mechanisms of plot. I found the “This time its personal” motivation tiresome and redundant, and the fact that after 14 years, they could only think of going back to that well again felt incredibly lazy. > (\*For the sake of accuracy, I revisited all the Marvel and DC movies and found only 2 that might qualify as “Superheroes ruined my life so I’m specifically exacting my revenge on them” just twice: IRON MAN 3 and CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR) I see what you mean. For me, the reaction of normal folks to the existence of superheroes is something that I think is underexplored (the best part of the recent Supergirl season (IMHO) was the cult of people who decided to worship Supergirl), so I didn’t mind seeing two movies that explored a couple of different possible reactions, but I understand that not everyone will agree. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/85 "2018-06-30T08:39:24Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > (\*For the sake of accuracy, I revisited all the Marvel and DC movies and found only 2 that might qualify as “Superheroes ruined my life so I’m specifically exacting my revenge on them” just twice: IRON MAN 3 and CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR) Batman v Superman had a character blow up a courthouse full of people because he blamed Superman for injuries he suffered in Man of Steel. Age of Ultron had Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch gunning for Stark/Iron Man because of their parents’ deaths. The second Green Goblin goes after Spidey for ruining his life, and it’s the reason Eddie Brock becomes Venom (I think his beef was with both Spider-Man and Peter Parker in the comics, before he knew they were one in the same). ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/86 "2018-06-30T16:14:27Z")
TI1 is one of my all-time favorite movies so this one had little chance of matching up. Still, I had faith in Bird and Pixar to not screw it up and they justified it; TI2 is almost as good. Some thoughts that haven’t been mentioned already: - The new supers had an “Island of Misfit Supers” vibe (“Medical condition or super power? You be the judge”) which I found a bit odd. Were all the supers with “normal” (hah!) super powers killed by Syndrome? Was Bird trying to make some comment about accepting everybody? It didn’t impact my enjoyment of the movie but it stuck out to me. - The movie was two hours but I wouldn’t have minded it going longer. The resolution of Violet’s love life was a little too quick. - I’m surprised at the number of opinions against the movie short. I can understand why young children would be confused but it’s not always about them. It was no more upsetting than Bambi. > [@Aspidistra](#): > > Also… Violet, show your date some respect and don’t ditch him at the movie theatre to go have fun with your folks. “Back for the start of the movie…”? Yeah suuuuure I get your point but on the other hand it’s great to see a young teen daughter want to spend time with her family over a boy. I’m sure some parents enjoyed that bit of fantasy. 🙂 One of the things I love about TI is that while the family fight and bicker they obviously love and enjoy each other. Overall a great movie. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/87 "2018-06-30T16:46:02Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > - The new supers had an “Island of Misfit Supers” vibe (“Medical condition or super power? You be the judge”) which I found a bit odd. Were all the supers with “normal” (hah!) super powers killed by Syndrome? Was Bird trying to make some comment about accepting everybody? It didn’t impact my enjoyment of the movie but it stuck out to me. Yes in The first movie, Syndrome had killed most of the best American super heroes. Apparently, in this universe there really werent that many, like like the expanded Marvel or DC. More like the old Golden age. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/88 "2018-06-30T19:55:13Z")
[A list](https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-incredibles-movie-is-a-web-of-massacred-disne-1826583403) of some of the supers mentioned in the original _Incredibles_. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/89 "2018-06-30T20:02:36Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [A list](https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-incredibles-movie-is-a-web-of-massacred-disne-1826583403) of some of the supers mentioned in the original _Incredibles_. Nice, thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/90 "2018-06-30T21:37:58Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Some thoughts that haven’t been mentioned already: > > - The new supers had an “Island of Misfit Supers” vibe (“Medical condition or super power? You be the judge”) which I found a bit odd. Were all the supers with “normal” (hah!) super powers killed by Syndrome? Was Bird trying to make some comment about accepting everybody? It didn’t impact my enjoyment of the movie but it stuck out to me. Syndrome sought out and killed the famous supers from when supers were legal - he apparently didn’t have access to any information from after that period (he didn’t have access to the superhero relocation service - otherwise he would have known that Dash and Violet existed, which was a complete surprise to him, and he would not have needed Mirage to find Bob). So all that are left for the second movie are older folks who were never good enough to be really famous, and young folk who didn’t get the level of training and support they would have gotten if superheroing were legal. Not surprising that the supers in I2 are either minor (like Reflux) or amateur like Voyd. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/91 "2018-07-01T05:18:44Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Syndrome sought out and killed the famous supers from when supers were legal - he apparently didn’t have access to any information from after that period (he didn’t have access to the superhero relocation service - otherwise he would have known that Dash and Violet existed, which was a complete surprise to him, and he would not have needed Mirage to find Bob). It’s also hinted at that Bob, Helen and Lucius didn’t interact with any other heroes after supers were made illegal, making them more difficult to find. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/92 "2018-07-01T05:49:42Z")
I finally saw this today, I really enjoyed it! I don’t remember the first one that much but I had a great time watching the sequel! I did have one question; Why couldn’t Voyd just portal the ship towards a different direction? I guess it’s too big? But I don’t remember anything being said about a limit to what she can portal. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/93 "2018-07-01T11:32:42Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > It’s also hinted at that Bob, Helen and Lucius didn’t interact with any other heroes after supers were made illegal, making them more difficult to find. Note that Syndrome never did find Lucius, who was apparently one of the premiere supers of the legal era. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/94 "2018-07-01T12:11:39Z")
We’re never explicitly told a size limit on Voyd’s power, but the largest portals we ever see her make are only about 6-8 feet across. I don’t think it’s a big jump to conclude that she does have a size limit, and that it’s much smaller than a cruise ship. Or maybe she could do it, but it’s never occurred to her to try: She’s portrayed as having some major self-confidence issues, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/95 "2018-07-01T12:16:14Z")
Loved it. i bought the soundtrack, will buy the DVD, & I want Incredibles 3! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/96 "2018-07-01T12:23:17Z")
I’m from Wisconsin! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/97 "2018-07-01T13:44:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We’re never explicitly told a size limit on Voyd’s power, but the largest portals we ever see her make are only about 6-8 feet across. I don’t think it’s a big jump to conclude that she does have a size limit, and that it’s much smaller than a cruise ship. Or maybe she could do it, but it’s never occurred to her to try: She’s portrayed as having some major self-confidence issues, after all. Yes, although she could have put one portal just behind the ship’s propeller, and another near the bow of the ship on the left side. Water would be pushed by the propeller, go through the portal, and impact the left side of the bow, helping steer the ship to the right. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/98 "2018-07-01T13:52:55Z")
Can she close portals while objects are passing through? Because that way she could cut off the propellers. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/99 "2018-07-01T14:33:46Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Note that Syndrome never did find Lucius, who was apparently one of the premiere supers of the legal era. Yes, he did. Remember, Mirage had been tracking Frozone and then asked permission from headquarters to change targets when she realized that Frozone (dressed as a civilian) was hanging around with Mister Incredible (dressed as a civiliian). ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/100 "2018-07-01T14:52:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yes, he did. Remember, Mirage had been tracking Frozone and then asked permission from headquarters to change targets when she realized that Frozone (dressed as a civilian) was hanging around with Mister Incredible (dressed as a civiliian). Oops. You’re right. Seems like once Syndrome had Bob in his sights, he wasn’t interested in doing the least bit of follow-up investigation (otherwise he would have known about Helen and the kids, and would have made an attempt to recruit Lucius too). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=6)