# Incredibles 2 "Seen It" Thread (Spoilers After First Post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237 "2018-06-17T00:29:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/121 "2018-07-09T00:04:20Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > My son and I saw it last night…it’s been a long , long time since I’ve seem the first one, so I can’t really say which one is better, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. > > My only complaint was that there was no post-credits scene. Although, to be fair, the credits were pretty cool. So cool, in fact, that the credits had their own credits. Anyone know where I can get Frozone’s theme for a ring tone? ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/122 "2018-07-09T01:53:44Z")
I really, REALLY struggle with Holly Hunter’s voice and weird facial affect and the way they have Elastigirl’s mouth moving the same way irked me all through both the movies. My kid loved it all though, and that’s good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/123 "2018-07-09T14:28:53Z")
Proof that her brother didn’t know was in the scene where all of the supers show up in hypno-goggles, and he didn’t know what they were. If he were in on it, he’d have to know about the hypno-goggles, because that’s how Eve framed the pizza guy. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/124 "2018-07-09T15:42:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Proof that her brother didn’t know was in the scene where all of the supers show up in hypno-goggles, and he didn’t know what they were. If he were in on it, he’d have to know about the hypno-goggles, because that’s how Eve framed the pizza guy. The train conductor (and a few others, if memory serves) did not need the goggles - it was temp. My guess is that Win knew about the hypno ‘tv’, but did not know that Eve had progessed to Goggles to hypno the supers. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/125 "2018-07-09T15:47:49Z")
But if he was in on it, then he had to know about the goggles, because she couldn’t have enslaved the pizza guy without them. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/126 "2018-07-09T16:00:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But if he was in on it, then he had to know about the goggles, because she couldn’t have enslaved the pizza guy without them. Remind me - who gave Helen the Screenslaver’s mask as a trophy? If it was Win (and as I recall, it was), that’s another clue that he didn’t realize their significance. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/127 "2018-07-09T17:13:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But if he was in on it, then he had to know about the goggles, because she couldn’t have enslaved the pizza guy without them. Being ‘in’ on it does not require him to know the operational details and tech way that Eve was going to accomplish the agreed upon goal. What Win was not ‘in’ on was Eve’s bigger plan to hypno the supers - he was in on the initial plan to take over the train, etc. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/128 "2018-07-09T17:24:52Z")
I can suspend disbelief only so far. A baby who can teleport to different dimensions? Fine. A man whose torso is approximately seventeen times bigger than his legs? Okay. However: in the first movie, they didn’t know their kids have powers, but they just happen to have named their oldest son Dash, and he turns out to have super speed? Sorry, not buying it. There is a limit! ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/129 "2018-07-09T17:25:33Z")
I did not see Win as knowing anything at all. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/130 "2018-07-09T20:22:52Z")
That’s kind of a trope of the genre. “A guy named Otto Octavius ends up with eight limbs? What are the odds?” But they did know that their first two kids had powers, for all of the time they were on screen. Presumably there was some time when they were babies when they hadn’t manifested yet, so your point still stands. Unless there used to be some standard superbaby screening process that would identify the kid’s powers quickly enough for appropriate naming. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/131 "2018-07-09T20:46:40Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I can suspend disbelief only so far. A baby who can teleport to different dimensions? Fine. A man whose torso is approximately seventeen times bigger than his legs? Okay. > > However: in the first movie, they didn’t know their kids have powers, but they just happen to have named their oldest son Dash, and he turns out to have super speed? Sorry, not buying it. There is a limit! Is ‘dash’ his given or nick name? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/132 "2018-07-09T21:17:34Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Is ‘dash’ his given or nick name? Short for Dashiell, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/133 "2018-07-09T22:53:15Z")
Violet is also a meaningful name, as in “[shrinking violet.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrinkingViolet)” ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/134 "2018-07-10T01:50:48Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Short for Dashiell, I think. [Correct](http://pixar.wikia.com/wiki/Dash_Parr) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/135 "2018-07-10T03:01:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s kind of a trope of the genre. > > “A guy named Otto Octavius ends up with eight limbs? What are the odds?” I laughed, but then I remembered Doc Ock built his own mechanical limbs—so he could have chosen the number to match his name. ---
**Author:** ![moojja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@moojja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moojja)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/136 "2018-07-10T03:52:38Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Yeah, I thought the short was beautifully done. Her pride, protectiveness, and ultimately destructive possessiveness of her creation in her dream felt like a very real analogy for a parent who is struggling to let go of a child. She knows that she has to let him go, but her instinct is to keep him, even if that means destroying him. It worked well for me. Same here. I wonder if it’s the cultural mismatch that cause some people to not understand the short. B/c it caused me to cry from beginning to end. Didn’t think it was confusing at all. Had several Asian Canadian friends said the same. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Downtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Mr\_Downtown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Downtown)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/137 "2018-07-10T04:15:24Z")
'splain me the cultural mismatch. Mom discovers that one of her homemade bao is sentient, watches him grow to manhood, then **eats** him. Thirty seconds later, he, or a lookalike, rings the doorbell. Which half of the story is supposed to be a metaphor, and how is that signaled to the audience? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/138 "2018-07-10T06:09:33Z")
> [@moojja](#): > > Same here. I wonder if it’s the cultural mismatch that cause some people to not understand the short. B/c it caused me to cry from beginning to end. Didn’t think it was confusing at all. Had several Asian Canadian friends said the same. I’m not a parent or first or second-generation immigrant, but I don’t understand how people missed the metaphor. Sure, some of it was culturally specific, but you’d think the overall concept of parenting would be universal enough. Eventually your children are going to have their own interests, make their own choices, and live their own lives which hopefully still include you. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/139 "2018-07-10T14:33:39Z")
I got the metaphor, although there were other details I didn’t catch that were culturally specific that I read about later. Still, I was **horrified** at the moment she ate him. This seems to have been the reaction of others around me (in northern Minnesota) and of and around my friends that I asked about it (who live in rural Missouri where we moved from last year). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/140 "2018-07-10T14:56:28Z")
I think that the biggest problem that I had with the short was that the relationships between the (human) characters weren’t clear, in part because the animation style obscured ages and gender. It would have been clearer that the Chef was Chin-Stubble’s mother if she had looked older than him and female. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=8)