# Incredibles 2 "Seen It" Thread (Spoilers After First Post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237 "2018-06-17T00:29:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/141 "2018-07-11T18:34:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Yeah, \*\*Bao \*\*was stupid and incomprehensible. Counterpoint: my Girlfriend enjoyed the movie but loved the short so much she thought that was worth the ticket price alone. I liked I2 but didn’t love it. It was a fun adventure and little else. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/142 "2018-07-11T21:27:39Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I got the metaphor, although there were other details I didn’t catch that were culturally specific that I read about later. Still, I was **horrified** at the moment she ate him. That for me was the hardest metaphor to swallow (no pun intended). What was that exactly symbolizing? She didn’t want him to leave so badly that she would consume him? But him back inside of her? Destroy him? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/143 "2018-07-12T02:45:14Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > That for me was the hardest metaphor to swallow (no pun intended). What was that exactly symbolizing? She didn’t want him to leave so badly that she would consume him? But him back inside of her? Destroy him? Right, and at the moment it happened it wasn’t clear she had an actual son this dumpling was a stand-in for. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/144 "2018-07-12T03:11:35Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > That for me was the hardest metaphor to swallow (no pun intended). What was that exactly symbolizing? She didn’t want him to leave so badly that she would consume him? But him back inside of her? Destroy him? As I said earlier in the thread - this is the argument that every parent fears, the one that ends with a slammed door and the child leaving - the one where you’re afraid you can’t undo the damage and you’re hurting. (Perhaps you kicked the child out, etc or the child left in a huff). ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/145 "2018-07-12T18:53:20Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Right. I had this same conversation with my wife. The movie certainly acknowledges the “fathers are doofuses, har har” stereotype, and plays around its edges, but I think fairly ends up with Bob not falling into it. I think it acknowledges the “people who don’t stay home with their kids (which includes working moms) underestimate how hard that 24 hour a day, multi skilled, continuous task switching job is.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/146 "2018-07-13T01:35:46Z")
> [@simster](#): > > As I said earlier in the thread - this is the argument that every parent fears, the one that ends with a slammed door and the child leaving - the one where you’re afraid you can’t undo the damage and you’re hurting. (Perhaps you kicked the child out, etc or the child left in a huff). Reminds me of the line in _Where the Wild Things Are_ … “Oh, please don’t go—we’ll eat you up—we love you so!” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/147 "2018-07-17T18:38:33Z")
Finally saw it, and loved it! The original is my favorite Pixar movie, and I’d say Brad Bird & Co. pulled it off again. A worthy sequel - gorgeous to look at, great action sequences and plenty of laughs. So many good bits: Jack-Jack’s battle with the raccoon, Bob’s struggles with temporary single-parenthood (including grappling with New Math, and Jack-Jack patting his cheek to wake him up while reading the Seuss-esque book), Elastigirl’s fight with Screenslaver in the strobe-lit room, Edna Mode’s delight in Jack-Jack’s company, Violet’s tantrums and shooting water out of her nose at the restaurant, and the kids’ adventures in the Incredibile were my favorites. I didn’t quite buy that the Parrs’ government contact wouldn’t tell them what he’d learned from the babysitter about Jack-Jack’s newly-revealed powers, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/148 "2018-07-18T21:49:21Z")
Did we all notice that Crush’s super power was based on the “I crush your _head!”_ character from **The Kids in the Hall?** ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/149 "2018-07-19T18:09:52Z")
And that Dash was eating Sugar Bombs (although not Chocolate Frosted) cereal, presumably a nod at _Calvin & Hobbes_? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/150 "2018-07-19T18:13:11Z")
Someone with a better memory of Pixar history can help out perhaps, but has Pixar ever killed off a major hero/heroine character in a movie before? During the hypoxia scene I knew Pixar doesn’t do that to major leads but it did/does seem entirely plausible that Elastigirl could have died in that scene and that Pixar would use it as an unexpected tearjerker (kind of like how they teased audiences with the furnace scene in Toy Story 3 but of course the toys all survived by the claw) ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/151 "2018-07-19T18:29:02Z")
So Pixar almost always puts Easter eggs for their next movie in their current movie. Anyone catch anything that might be that? Also was there a hidden Pizza Planet anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/152 "2018-07-19T18:33:56Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Did we all notice that Crush’s super power was based on the “I crush your _head!”_ character from **The Kids in the Hall?** I doubt that very much. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/153 "2018-07-19T18:57:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Someone with a better memory of Pixar history can help out perhaps, but has Pixar ever killed off a major hero/heroine character in a movie before? Does the dad in\* The Good Dinosaur\* count? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/154 "2018-07-19T21:01:31Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > So Pixar almost always puts Easter eggs for their next movie in their current movie. Anyone catch anything that might be that? Also was there a hidden Pizza Planet anywhere? I didn’t see the Pizza Planet truck, but I did catch an A113 reference. At the very end, when they’re dropping off Tony and Violet at the movies, the movie that’s playing is _Dimentia 13_, but on one side of the marquee it’s listed as “DIMENTIA113”. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/155 "2018-07-20T14:38:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Someone with a better memory of Pixar history can help out perhaps, but has Pixar ever killed off a major hero/heroine character in a movie before? I don’t think they’ve come close. In the first Incredibles a friend of Helen’s was supposed to die when the jet was shot down; they changed even that. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/156 "2018-07-20T15:17:10Z")
I was assuming that the guy framed as the Screenslaver worked at Pizza Planet, but I don’t recall them specifically saying so. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/157 "2018-07-21T03:12:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I was assuming that the guy framed as the Screenslaver worked at Pizza Planet, but I don’t recall them specifically saying so. Yes, when he gets knocked out the window and lands on the ground, the truck is right there. We saw it tonight and really liked it. It’s no I1, but nothing is, and that’s okay. ETA: Also, if you stay all the way until the end of the credits, there’s no stinger, but a little Underminer vehicle pops up and rolls across the screen. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/158 "2018-07-30T14:46:42Z")
I’m late to the party but we saw this last night. I thought it was much funnier than the first Incredibles, but not as original. Then again, it is a sequel so whaddyagonnado. I hated the Bao short. I fully understood that it was a metaphor once human Bao showed up, but I thought it was very poorly executed. Mrs. Cups enjoyed it, but not nearly as much. I don’t mind too terribly much that the sister was the villain. The “jaded moviegoer” part of me wondered which sibling was actually the bad guy from the get-go, but I doubt the kids in the audience felt the same and probably felt smart if they caught onto it. That being said, I felt the movie was a little bit too close to the first movie in terms of plot. I would have enjoyed a different direction. Oh well, overall it was certainly not a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/159 "2018-07-30T15:42:12Z")
Good movie, but not as good as the first. I can’t quite put my finger on why. Sequels don’t HAVE to be inferior - as evidenced by the Toy Story films. I would throw out a few guesses, though: 1. Evelyn Deavor just isn’t as compelling a villain as Syndrome. For one thing… Syndrome is, you know, a super, albeit an artificial one. Evelyn is just a person. As surprises go, it wasn’t much of one; it’s apparent long before the reveal that she is the villain. The Syndrome story is simply better, and presents some philosophical debates that Evelyn’s story fails to. 2. The train chase was cool but I thought the first movie had better action sequences. The best scene in The Incredibles, to my mind, is the hallway fight scene where Elastigirl has to elasticize through closing doors to get through and knock out bad guys; it’s original, funny, exciting, and specifically uses a superpower in visually interesting ways. There is no really equivalent scene in I2. We see some Elastigirl stuff but nothing we haven’t seen before. In fact, in general, all superpowers were better used in the first movie. Dash’s chase scene on the island in the first movie is exhilarating and a visual feast. Mr. Incredible’s fight with the robot is awesome. Violet’s powers are new and every new use of them is cool - her using a force field to escape her restraints, or saving her Mom and brother when the plane is show down (a truly scary, tense scene.) There is no really solid equivalent to those in I2. It is interesting how underused Frozone’s ability is; it’s just basically use as a strength thing. Imagine how someone like Frozone could, say, destroy things by rupturing them - he could have destroyed the boiler in the Underminer’s vehicle by freezing the liquid inside it. 1. I liked the scenes at home (which was sumptuous in terms of the cool 60’s style) but I found the movie was a bit choppy in that regard. Still a first rate movie of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237/160 "2018-07-30T17:10:16Z")
With the use of the powers, another point was the family using their powers together. Remember in the first one, when Dash and Violet combined their powers to produce an indestructible high-speed hamster ball? There wasn’t really anything like that in the second. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/incredibles-2-seen-it-thread-spoilers-after-first-post/816237.md?page=9)