# India, and Indians. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2002, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283 "2002-08-04T09:20:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/61 "2002-08-09T03:18:29Z")
How about not calling me a Sock Puppet? I have never, nor will I ever, use a sock. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/62 "2002-08-09T03:28:07Z")
Puppet, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Slicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@Slicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slicky)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/63 "2002-08-09T03:39:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Teelo \* > \*\*And look at yourself, calling me racist names? A nigger? A dot-head? A sand nigger? A paki, and Sahib? \* \*\* Calm the fuck down, junior. Don’t get so fucking uptight about racial comments. Wait until you get to the real world and get called those to your face. 🙂 Loosen up. I’m Indian by the way. Those comments don’t bother me. At first I thought you might be some random futbol Limey pretending to be Indian ranting about those “fecking pakees”, but I’ll assume your Indian. Anyway, enough of that. I’m not here to argue. Sorry if I offended ya, you fucking Nancy. 😉 * * * “what I dislike about India/Indians” 1. Indian Food–Sucks, over spicy and greasy. 2. Indian Girls–Most are stuck-up, whiny, bratty, spoiled daddysgirls who think they’re better than you. But they have those in every culture. NOT ALL OF THEM! RADICAL FEMINIST ABCD CHICKS DON"T START BURNING YOUR BRAS. 3)Too hot in India, polluted, yada yada yada etc. ---
**Author:** ![PeppermintPatty85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PeppermintPatty85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeppermintPatty85)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/64 "2002-08-09T03:47:26Z")
Well darling, from one teen to another. I personally live in a small town with small people and small minded views… and yeah there are racial issues a lot down here. And I am from a large city where I was around many diverse people. And to be perfectly honest with you I love to see different nationalities because they just are never around that much… But as a person who is openminded and takes much pleasure out of learning about different backgrounds of people and such, I think it’s a beautiful thing to not have the typical blonde haired blue eyed look. And if I was you then I would embrace my difference from other people, and regardless of what shit India is going through, or has gone through, take pride in the fact that you aren’t like everyone around you. Regardless of the color of your skin, you’re different. Normalcy doesn’t exist, and yes you’ll have your ass holes that think that all people from the middle east are from Pakistan… and that should be a big warning sign that they are ignorant… And yes you’ll have your people that think that all people from the middle east are terrorists, but they’re ass holes too, and just be accepting of that, and realize that even though they try to belittle you, you can always know that they’re more ignorant than you, and you are therefore superior. Racism will always exist because people will always teach it to their kids, and they’ll teach it to their kids, and it’s not right, and it shouldn’t be tolerated but when you start thinking like them, and labeling the whole country as being something not to be proud of, then it’s really no better. And who said that being rich was a good thing? Possessions won’t bring you anything, and sometimes education doesn’t either. Ignorance is bliss and if I had the option of living in poverty and being with people I love and live with and going to a foreign, egotistical country, I’d choose the poverty. Be proud of the fact that India hasn’t been pulled into the yuppy commercial bullshit that we are all forced to deal with every day. ---
**Author:** ![xash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/c6cbf5/32.png) [@xash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xash)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/65 "2002-08-09T03:57:52Z")
Hi **Wearia**. Although you’ve got your facts wrong, i appreciate the tone of your post. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wearia \* > So an employer gets say 20 applications with the same credentials. So who does he hire? There is no real difference between any of them. Now here is where the problem is. > > Bribes. > > Thats the only way to put yourself above those others who apply for that same job. So by bribing 19 other people don’t get a job. Even though they are educated. So they end up driving taxi’s or begging. Its not their fault. There are just to many people and not enough jobs. Its sad really. This is not entirely true. Yes, corruption does exist. But it is not as widespread as you make it out to be. It is definitely not the “only way to put yourself above those others”. > [@](#): > > I personally don’t mind the food. Some of it I stay away from. But its no worse than eating a reheated beef mush covered in grease, wrapped in bleached bread. That is your perception of Indian food. I can understand it. But you must understand that most Indians love Indian food. I myself crave Indian food while i’m in Europe or the Americas. > [@](#): > > Sure there are people out there that see India as a slum. There are also people out there who think people in Canada live in Igloos and Americans are redneck terrorists. Does that make them right? No of course not. You can’t judge a society if you haven’t seen it for yourself. True, true. > [@](#): > > So what is it really like? All we have to go on is what the media tells us. By being hostile your just re-enforcing the stereotypes. > > \ > > Lighten up. Educate us. Obviously there is a lot you could teach us. To tell you what it was really like, i would have to write a really long book. And i’d still get it wrong. India is just such a huge country, with such myriad cultures and traditions. Such contrasting ways of life. What i can do is to answer any objective questions that you may have and dispel any myths that you might harbour. What the media portrays about this country is not what the country is about. That’s like me basing my perception of USA on what i see in hollywood films. Teelo, thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/66 "2002-08-09T06:59:36Z")
Anthracite, Okay I understand your reasoning for accusing Monty of a “sock puppet” _But how can you think I am out of line, when that Racist Slicky is ranting about how he can not be offended by those racist slangs, and can be pissed about my inicial comment?_ There is no logic to that!! Slicky, whats wrong with you? You say you don’t want to fight, but you continue to immaturily call me names? And I am half Indian. Is that enough for you? Oh, and I think _you_ should calm down. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/67 "2002-08-09T07:14:02Z")
The real problem with living in India is that you can be a one-in-a-million individual – and there are still a thousand people just like you. _Da-dum-dum- Ching!_ Thanks, be sure to tip your waitress. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/68 "2002-08-09T13:59:30Z")
Gee, Teelo. You ask how someone can think you’re out of line for accusing ME of being a sock puppet when you’re mad at _someone else_? Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![tiggeril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tiggeril/32/7234_2.png) [@tiggeril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiggeril)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/69 "2002-08-09T15:51:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > > **Anjali** , I’ve thought about a comment you made earlier for a couple of days now. > > I wish I understood what it was like to be Indian, either Indian but raised outside of India, or truly a native. But there is no way I can do that. You might as well ask me to know what it is to be a Jew, or a Muslim, or an Eskimo. > > \ > > You’re right. I really am clueless as to what it means to be Indian. > > Anrikki is Indian because it fit well with the background plot of my story, tying together two important threads. I really wanted to make her an Indian raised almost entirely in the US, and thus she really was quite unaware of her culture, background, and the customs and traditions of the elders of her family. > > Looks like I will succeed, since I likely am an ignorant person who will end up offending Indians by trying to portray a character like Anrikki. So I think I have decided to kill my story as a result, since I would end up offending. You must believe, it was not my intent by any means. ☹ Oh, Una. There is really no way that I can forsee a story like that being offensive in any way. For someone like Anrikki, Indian culture would be the same as it is for you, in terms of perception. Besides, it’s a _story._ Quite frankly, people who are offended by stories don’t need to be catered to. (IMHO 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/70 "2002-08-09T18:23:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xash \* > \*\* > That is your perception of Indian food. I can understand it. But you must understand that most Indians love Indian food. I myself crave Indian food while i’m in Europe or the Americas. > \*\* Actually thats my perception of american food. Hamburgers you know? Re-heated beef mush covered in grease wrapped in a bleached bread bun? Thats a hamburger. At least a fast food one. My apologises for saying that the only way to get above others is bribes. Thinking of it now I see that there must be many situations where others are more qualified for jobs. ---
**Author:** ![tsarina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@tsarina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tsarina)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/71 "2002-08-09T18:38:16Z")
Jesus Christ, **Monty** , chill out. The kid’s a newbie. It took me months to realize the horrors inherent in sock-puppetry, and he’s only been here a few days. Go easy on him. **Teelo** , I’m interested in hearing what kind of things you go through being half-Indian (I assume one of your parents is Caucasian, since you’re from Canada). If and when my boy and I decide to tie the knot and have kids, I want to know what they’ll have to deal with, as they’ll be interracial as well. Enlighten me, please, or you can e-mail me if you don’t want to discuss it here. Thanks, - tsarina. ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/72 "2002-08-10T01:56:41Z")
Monty: I’m mad/annoyed/disgusted by both of you. tsarnia: Well, I don’t know where to begin. Racism is, unheard of in Canada, I assume it is the same in the States. (Minus the rare few…;)) I would not worry about your kids life, it will be as normal as any other child. They will be darker, but its a year-round tan. Most people would like that alot. Could you be more specific in your question?🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/73 "2002-08-10T03:00:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Teelo \* > **Anthracite, Okay I understand your reasoning for accusing Monty of a “sock puppet” _But how can you think I am out of line, when that Racist Slicky is ranting about how he can not be offended by those racist slangs, and can be pissed about my inicial comment?_ There is no logic to that!!** Yes there is. Calling people out publicly as sockpuppets is something that the Moderators and Admins have warned specifically for people not to do. And it’s rude. Slicky is just being rude to you. That is not good, but it’s not something that impacts Board rules. However, the racial slurs that are being used could form a sound basis for a complaint to a Moderator, if they bothered someone. Slicky, you are not winning people to your position by your use of racial epithets. If you give a shit about making an intelligent point and explaining your anger and position to people, then tone it down. I’ll listen to your point of view, just like most other people’s. But if you actually don’t care, and just want to be as offensive as possible, then go the fuck away. > [@](#): > > **Loosen up. I’m Indian by the way. Those comments don’t bother me.** They bother a lot of other people on this Board, and this isn’t a private line. And using them against your own race is no excuse for using them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/74 "2002-08-10T03:43:47Z")
I don’t care how mad, annoyed, or disgusted you are with me. That’s no reason to falsely accuse me of using a sock puppet when you’re also peeved at someone else. In case you hadn’t noticed, to you I was polite as far as it goes. Your stance in the OP obviously disgusts me. I have yet to falsely accuse you of being a sock puppet. Why do you think you are allowed to do that to me? Oh, and if you think racism is unheard of in Canada, you’ve obviously never heard the name Helen Betty Osborne. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/75 "2002-08-10T03:45:14Z")
And apparently I am a bit slow on the uptake in this thread. If you think that Slicky and I are the same and that Slicky’s a racist, then you’re obviously calling me a racist. For that accusation, I demand an apology here and now. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/76 "2002-08-10T04:24:22Z")
**teelo** , you are new, and I don’t think you understand the gravity of accusing someone of of using sock-puppets. **Monty** may be one ornery son of a bitch, but he does not use socks. He respects the protocal of the board. You owe him an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/77 "2002-08-10T04:39:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*For that accusation, I demand an apology here and now. \*\* I apologize! I’m sorry…it was the crack…or the booze…or the sex…I’m sorry! [sub]Oh wait…you wanted one from someone else. Never mind…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/78 "2002-08-10T05:13:36Z")
I suupose I also should address the asshole known as **Slicky**. > [@](#): > > Actually I’ve found that white people treat me kinder than my own people, and I’ve only dated white girls > _\_ > Indian Girls–Most are stuck-up, whiny, bratty, spoiled daddysgirls who think they’re better than you. How the fuck can you explain tearing in to a guy like **Teelo** , when you obviously have issues of your own? **Teelo** strikes me as a 16 year old kid trying to come to terms with his heritage. You strike me as a guy with _issues_. Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick, look at yourself before you rip him. ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/79 "2002-08-10T06:47:40Z")
Anthracite: Alright, I wasn’t aware of the whole sock puppet thing. I can see why it is frowned upon. I agree with what you said. Monty: The reason you can’t call me a sock puppet is because there is no clues to me doing that. Can you at least see my point of view as to why I said you were sock puppeting?? I cannot say that I totally beleive you though. Hell, you could of gotton a friend to do it. I don’t know. And Beeblebrox: Thanks again. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/80 "2002-08-10T07:15:46Z")
**Teelo** , dammit, apoligize to **Monty**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283.md?page=5)