# India, and Indians.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [August 4, 2002, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283 "2002-08-04T09:20:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2002, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/141 "2002-08-20T03:45:08Z")

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Oh my my, I got to reading the teenager thread, I’ll talk about it in there.  
Anthracite, if at all possible, quote my above message to you into the Teenager thread, if you like.

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**Author:** ![The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Wrong_Girl)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2002, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/142 "2002-08-20T03:51:12Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by Teelo \*  
> \*\*I suppose I am dealing with a 70 year old woman, unemployed and single, (Or more likely divorced) and possibly of a Jewish heritage.  
> Can you clear this up, if you have the energy. 😛 \*\*

No, **Teelo** , YOU clear it up. And just how the fuck did you come up with a representation of Monty as a 70 year-old unemployed woman? I’m not even going to touch the Jewish thing–I’m not 100% sure what you meant by that, but it sure looked derogatory to me.

You would do well to take your own advice and let this go now. One valuable thing that I’ve learned on this board is that sometimes, it’s not all about getting the last word.

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2002, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/143 "2002-08-20T11:36:42Z")

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The Wrong Girl: Damn, you’re good. Not only that, you’re damn good. Thanks.

BTW, Teelo: Thanks for showing us your anti-semitism.

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**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2002, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/144 "2002-08-23T19:23:22Z")

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Monty: No, actually “The Wrong girl” is Wrong, like the name implies.  
Jeez, its a good thing we have people like her who like to not get all the info and make half decent comments. :-p But hey, that seems to be an abundance these days.  
What I meant by that, was simply this:  
I _assumed_ Monty was young, male, marrried, employed, and possibly christian or catholic.  
I tried to make some hilarious opposites, to show that I really have no clue who you are, or are like. Sorry that some things there didn’t have a direct opposite, which makes me an, “Anti-semite” ?

Yeah, thanks for that one, ya Jackass.

Also, why dont you ever seem to notice the other parts, where I asked you to answer those questions, or perhaps how I showed you act like a child yourself. The list could go on.  
Perhaps, you know I am right, (which I am) and are scared to bring it up, because then you might be proved wrong? (Heaven forbid, that ever happens to you)  
That is a theory, I think its a good one…  
If not, why don’t you give me a decent rebuttle to the comment I made about you also being a child?  
If your not too tired.

Wrong Girl: I can see what you mean about the whole last word thing.  
And your right.  
But, I don’t want to give it to little Monty, he doesn’t deserve it. I think he’s used to being right, so I will have to show him how wrong he can be.

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2002, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/145 "2002-08-23T20:08:48Z")

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You know what, Teelo. You’re a piece of work. The latest stunt from you is you make an anti-semitic comment and then now you deny it was anti-semitic.

Before you show someone that they’re wrong, step one is that the person must be wrong. Search the site and you’ll also see where I have admitted my errors in those instances where I have been in error. In this thread I’m not wrong: you are a liar. You are a bigot.

Now let me address the liar issue first: You seem to think that harping back to the sock puppet thing is the issue. It’s not. The issue is, as you admitted, that you knew something was not true and yet you posted it anyway. You attempted to defend its veracity. You failed miserably. You then admitted that you knew it was a lie when you posted it. That’s not only called being a liar, but here’s it’s also called trolling.

Now let me hit up the bigot issue: Your OP, as not only I but others have pointed out, just has you venting your prejudices. It also shows you were not interested in facts then. Your latest posts show that you’re still not interested in facts. The latest stunt was your calling me a Jewish woman:

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> _Originally posted by Teelo_  
> I suppose I am dealing with a 70 year old woman, unemployed and single, (Or more likely divorced) and possibly of a Jewish heritage.

You also tell us

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> _Originally posted by Teelo_  
> I assumed Monty was young, male, marrried, employed, and possibly christian or catholic.

Not only does this statement show your pathetic prejudice against Catholics (they’re Christians), but also that you like to make your statements based on assumptions. That’s never a good plan. Facts are facts and assumptions aren’t.

As to why I didn’t answer your irrelevant questions:

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> _from Merriam-Webster_  
> Main Entry: ir·rel·e·vant  
> Pronunciation: -v&nt  
> Function: adjective  
> Date: 1786  
> : not relevant : INAPPLICABLE \<that statement is irrelevant to your argument\>
> 
> - ir·rel·e·vant·ly adverb

Those questions have no bearing on the discussion; therefore, they are irrelevant.

So far, you’ve made exactly zero good arguments, provided zero proof of your assertions, and continued to attack character. Funny thing, though, is that the latest attack on my character from you had you calling me Jewish. That’s prejudice, you bigot.

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**Author:** ![The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Wrong_Girl)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2002, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/146 "2002-08-23T21:05:09Z")

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Have fun with him, **Monty** , because I’m done here. When someone is this obstinate and immature, I find it pretty darn ineffective to use logic.

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/147 "2002-08-23T22:07:09Z")

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Again, well said, TWG.

You know what, Teelo. You’re a piece of work. The latest stunt from you is you make an anti-semitic comment and then now you deny it was anti-semitic.

Before you show someone that they’re wrong, step one is that the person must be wrong. In this thread I’m not wrong: you are a liar. You are a bigot.

Now let me address the liar issue first: You seem to think that harping back to the sock puppet thing is the issue. It’s not. The issue is, as you admitted, that you knew something was not true and yet you posted it anyway. You attempted to defend its veracity. You failed miserably. You then admitted that you knew it was a lie when you posted it. That’s not only called being a liar, but here’s it’s also called trolling.

Now let me hit up the bigot issue: Your OP, as not only I but others have pointed out, just has you venting your prejudices. It also shows you were not interested in facts then. Your latest posts show that you’re still not interested in facts. The latest stunt was your calling me a Jewish woman:

> [@](#):
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> _Originally posted by Teelo_  
> I suppose I am dealing with a 70 year old woman, unemployed and single, (Or more likely divorced) and possibly of a Jewish heritage.

You also tell us

> [@](#):
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> _Originally posted by Teelo_  
> I assumed Monty was young, male, marrried, employed, and possibly christian or catholic.

Not only does this statement show your pathetic prejudice against Catholics (they’re Christians), but also that you like to make your statements based on assumptions. That’s never a good plan. Facts are facts and assumptions aren’t.

As to why I didn’t answer your irrelevant questions:

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> _from Merriam-Webster_  
> Main Entry: ir·rel·e·vant  
> Pronunciation: -v&nt  
> Function: adjective  
> Date: 1786  
> : not relevant : INAPPLICABLE \<that statement is irrelevant to your argument\>
> 
> - ir·rel·e·vant·ly adverb

The answers to your questions have no bearing on the discussion; therefore, they are irrelevant.

So far, you’ve made exactly zero good arguments, provided zero proof of your assertions, and continued to attack character. Funny thing, though, is that the latest attack on my character from you had you calling me Jewish. That’s prejudice, you bigot.

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**Author:** ![xash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/c6cbf5/32.png) [@xash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xash)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2002, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/148 "2002-08-23T23:23:12Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Teelo \*  
> **I suppose I am dealing with a 70 year old woman, unemployed and single, (Or more likely divorced) and possibly of a Jewish heritage.**

ok… this is all i have left to say:

**fuck you, teelo**

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2002, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/149 "2002-08-23T23:23:38Z")

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Dratted double posts! The 2nd posting is the correct one.

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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/150 "2002-08-24T00:45:39Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Teelo \*  
> **Anyway, being a teen is tough, I don’t know if you are a teacher but being in highschool is just fucked up sometimes.**

I teach a University course sometimes, but that’s not nearly high school, I know. All the people in my class want to be there (well, until they get the syllabus, at least…)

Actually, I didn’t want to get argumentative with you. It is a frequent quote that only bothers me in that it implies that somehow high school pressure were very different than they were in the past. I’ve been out of town for 5 days, and haven’t checked the other thread yet (having been directed to come to the Pit to see GNome meltdown…)

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**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/151 "2002-08-24T01:50:45Z")

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There is no love lost between Monty and myself, but he’s been around the board since the AOL days, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth [or at least 5 or 6 years]. To think that he would resort to using a sock puppet --over this thread, no less, which is rather small beans. No disrespect, kid, but you ain’t worth it-- is rather laughable.

…if for no other reason than that he will be a flat out asshole right to your face with his real name quite happily, so why hide? 😉

I’m glad you apologized because defending Monty makes me feel dirty inside.

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**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/152 "2002-08-24T02:19:34Z")

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Creating a sock puppet on this board is grounds for instant banning. That is why it is considered such a bad thing to accuse someone of.

Why is being banned such a big deal? Well many of us have been here for MANY YEARS and have developed close ties with this community (do you have any idea how often people get together in real life for gathings? How many people have met and gotten married here?) and consider it to be a sort of “virtual town” that they live in. [and before you say “get a real life” may I remind you that people online are every bit as much “real people” as they are when you see them on the street.]

…and now just to nit-pick something that is a huge pet peeve:

would HAVE  
could HAVE  
should HAVE

would’ve  
could’ve  
should’ve

It’s not “of” it’s ‘have’… “of” makes no sense.

Sorry, but it was really starting to curl my toenails.

Oh, and Monty? An emoticon is a smiley or similar. Not a phrase. 😛

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/153 "2002-08-24T03:13:19Z")

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Did I say “phrase?” Could’ve sworn I typed “expression.”

And there’s exactly zero love lost between OpalCat and me.

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**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/154 "2002-08-24T03:23:53Z")

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no you said “emoticon”

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/155 "2002-08-24T04:21:04Z")

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Drat. Thanks for the “catch.”

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/156 "2002-08-24T11:22:40Z")

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Come to think of it, Opal, the use of an emoticon is still expressing something; therefore, it’s an expression. 😉

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**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/157 "2002-08-24T14:14:46Z")

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Grow the fuck up, **teelo**.

(There are plenty of posters that post here who are your age or younger and they don’t act the way you do. So stop whining about your age, **teelo**. Sixteen ain’t that young anyway.)

Likewise, a person who tries to argue with an immature person must be immature too, **Monty**.

Please let this sorry excuse for a thread DIE already!

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/158 "2002-08-24T23:09:42Z")

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And your posting to it helps it die _exactly how_, monstro?

I’m posting facts in response to obvious malarkey to the “esteemed” OP. Last I heard, that was kind of the deal going on with this site.

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2002, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/159 "2002-08-24T23:16:05Z")

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p.s. monstro: Your posting can certainly be considered arguing with Teelo. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Tansu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tansu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tansu)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2002, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-indians/122283/160 "2002-08-25T00:48:56Z")

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Sort yourselves out, for fuck’s sake. Or at least argue in private.

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