# India and rape. What the hell is going on over there? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 28, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501 "2014-05-28T21:26:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/41 "2014-05-30T21:06:18Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > What the hell India? Why does there seem to be so many women raped in that country? Is rape overlooked by the authorities or something? Is it a favorite pastime there, national sport? I’m lookin’ at you, Headley LaMarr! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/42 "2014-05-30T22:44:00Z")
That’s “Hedley.” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/43 "2014-05-30T23:53:14Z")
Jeez, no wonder you people are so rapey. You can’t even control your own keyboards. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/44 "2014-05-31T21:33:05Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > All the conclusions that you draw from the survey(which has piss poor sampling, and doesn’t know where its own samples are drawn from) are about domestic violence in India, when at most you could talk about Delhi. That badly biases the sample because Delhi is widely recognised for its high incidence of violence against women. > > And I don’t know where you’re getting the Delhi rape data from, but that’s wrong too, as is the population data. > > Your urban/rural distinction is important, but the conclusions you draw are incorrect. More conservative does not equate more rapes. I’ll give you my theory for why this is, you’re free to accept it or not as you wish. Most of North India is highly patriarchal, and the rural areas in particular _are_ very conservative. However, they’ve been this way for centuries, and have developed social conventions and norms to deal with it. Women are married early, and are rarely, if ever alone or independent. This is not a good state of affairs by any means, but it has evolved to keep non domestic violence/rapes against women to a minimum, and there is no reason to think that rapes (outside of marital rape) in rural areas in India are an order of magnitude higher than reported. **I repeat, this is not a desirable state of affairs, and marital rape needs to and must be included in this, but I would remind you that the taboo against domestic violence is relatively recent even in western society. Marital rape was only criminalised in all of the US in 1993**. Translate the bold part into; \* ‘How dare outsiders criticize India and it’s society when the US has been just as backward as we’ve been!’\* You mentioned conservative society doesn’t necessarily correlate to more rapes, I’ll go to a different theory and say they’re more effective at silencing as many people as possible about the crime in the first place, domestic or non domestic. Shouldn’t you and mandala be proud of the fact more people are speaking out against such attacks, rather than a suspiciously low reporting rate and a culture where to speak out about such things makes you an outcast? Or does blaming the US or ‘First World Arrogance’ make for easier consumption. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/45 "2014-06-01T01:34:28Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Translate the bold part into; > \* > ‘How dare outsiders criticize India and it’s society when the US has been just as backward as we’ve been!’\* > > You mentioned conservative society doesn’t necessarily correlate to more rapes, I’ll go to a different theory and say they’re more effective at silencing as many people as possible about the crime in the first place, domestic or non domestic. > > Shouldn’t you and mandala be proud of the fact more people are speaking out against such attacks, rather than a suspiciously low reporting rate and a culture where to speak out about such things makes you an outcast? Or does blaming the US or ‘First World Arrogance’ make for easier consumption. I’m extremely critical of traditional Indian society, in general, but I don’t think we can make a solid evidentiary case that India has a particularly high rape rate, right now. I have anecdotal evidence that Delhi is a terrible place for women, but that’s 1) anecdotal, 2) about one city, not the whole country, and 3) more about harrasment than rape per se. I don’t really have much belief that the published statistics are accurate (India is, outside a few circles, a highly conservative society and I suspect a lot of people don’t report sexual assaults), but I don’t have any alternative data to put forward, so I think the right thing to do here is to remain agnostic. Unless you have a more reliable study you want to quote. And, of course, for the police and courts to do their job in prosecuting rapists. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/46 "2014-06-01T03:22:28Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Translate the bold part into; > \* > ‘How dare outsiders criticize India and it’s society when the US has been just as backward as we’ve been!’\* > > You mentioned conservative society doesn’t necessarily correlate to more rapes, I’ll go to a different theory and say they’re more effective at silencing as many people as possible about the crime in the first place, domestic or non domestic. > > Shouldn’t you and mandala be proud of the fact more people are speaking out against such attacks, rather than a suspiciously low reporting rate and a culture where to speak out about such things makes you an outcast? Or does blaming the US or ‘First World Arrogance’ make for easier consumption. Meh. Outsiders can criticise India all they like, as long as their criticism has basis in fact. There’s plenty to criticise in India about its treatment of women, and I welcome sensible criticism wherever I find it. At the same time, I’m not going to listen to shrill screaming about rape being India’s favourite sport based off of six articles in Indian news sites, or surveys that are poorly done and clearly misleading. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/47 "2014-06-01T14:04:19Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > Meh. Outsiders can criticise India all they like, as long as their criticism has basis in fact. There’s plenty to criticise in India about its treatment of women, and I welcome sensible criticism wherever I find it. At the same time, I’m not going to listen to shrill screaming about rape being India’s favourite sport based off of six articles in Indian news sites, or surveys that are poorly done and clearly misleading. Alright, if that’s what you’re stating, show us some leading alternative citations, I know you’ve provided one ([http://www.promundo.org.br/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Evolving-Men-IMAGES-1.pdf](http://www.promundo.org.br/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Evolving-Men-IMAGES-1.pdf)) however on page 48, Indian cases of sexual violence leads the way against all the others measured (India is 24% against anyone ever, compared with a distant second of 9% for Croatia, Rwanda and Chile. Also take note, the percentage of men who have reported that they ever used sexual violence (against a partner or any woman) vary from 2 percent (Brazil) to 25% (In India) this is from the PDF as well. Maybe not rape, but sexual violence seems to be a pastime sport in India unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/48 "2014-06-01T15:43:16Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Alright, if that’s what you’re stating, show us some leading alternative citations, Alternative citations to what? The null is that India does not have exceptionally high rates of sexual violence. You show me a credible citation that it does, and we can talk. > [@](#): > > I know you’ve provided one > ([http://www.promundo.org.br/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Evolving-Men-IMAGES-1.pdf](http://www.promundo.org.br/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Evolving-Men-IMAGES-1.pdf)) however on page 48, Indian cases of sexual violence leads the way against all the others measured (India is 24% against anyone ever, compared with a distant second of 9% for Croatia, Rwanda and Chile. > > Also take note, > > the percentage of men who have reported that they ever used sexual violence (against a partner or any woman) vary from 2 percent (Brazil) to 25% (In India) > > this is from the PDF as well. > > Maybe not rape, but sexual violence seems to be a pastime sport in India unfortunately. Sigh. You’re not really reading my comments at all are you? That particular survey has (really, really small) samples from only two cities in India(a very large, very diverse country). One of those cities is widely known for a particularly poor attitude towards women(selection bias anyone?), and the report writers don’t seem to know where the other city is located. And they’re trying to pass this report off as some sort of valid cross-country comparison. Any researcher worth their salt will know that such poor sampling procedures should not be followed in the first place and if compulsion dictates it, they should be _heavily_ qualified in the analysis at the very least. That they have done neither makes me wary of accepting any of their results. You want to keep using them to bolster your views, go ahead. At the same time I freely acknowledge that large parts of Indian society have a lot to do when it comes to treating women better. North/Central Indian society in particular has a lot to do to work towards gender equality, in son preference, education, work force participation, and conservative mores towards sexuality. What those conservative mores translate into is not necessarily more or less sexual violence, but poor handling of any sexual violence that does occur. It is certain that sexual violence is one of the factors in women’s lives that needs improvement, and it’s something that Indian society has traditionally pushed under the carpet. As **Kimstu** noted upthread, at this point we’re experiencing a rape awareness explosion, and I’m glad that it’s being highlighted, so that we can work towards handling it better, because we certainly need to. But it’s stupid to conflate that with “India is a rapey place/culture”. It’s not that we have so many more rapes than anywhere else, it’s that we handle the ones that we do have so poorly. Here’s a quote from Amartya Sen that I agree with wholewheartedly (bold mine) > [@](#): > > The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found the incidence of rape in India for 2010 to be 1.8 per 100,000 people, compared with, for example, 27.3 in the US, 28.8 in the UK, 63.5 in Sweden, and 120.0 in South Africa. The number of recorded rapes in India is certainly a substantial underestimate, but even if we take five times—or ten times—that figure, the corrected and enlarged estimates of rapes would still be substantially lower in India than in the US, the UK, Sweden, or South Africa (even with the assumption that there is no underreporting in these other countries). > > High frequency of rape may not be the real issue in India, but all the evidence suggests that India has a huge problem in seriously monitoring rape and taking steps to reduce it. The failure of the police to help rape victims and to ensure the safety of women is particularly lamentable. > … > > **India’s problem may well lie not so much in a particularly high incidence of rapes, but in its inefficient policing, bad security arrangements, slow-moving judicial system, and, ultimately, the callousness of the society.** > > ETA: Taken from here - [http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/oct/10/indias-women-mixed-truth/?page=1](http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/oct/10/indias-women-mixed-truth/?page=1) ---
**Author:** ![iLemming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90db22/32.png) [@iLemming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iLemming)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/49 "2014-06-01T15:59:20Z")
You yañ’kees don’t seem to know your best Asian bummies as well as you thought you did… Perhaps it’s time to place your bets on a different counterbalance to China. 😉 > [@bldysabba](#): > > India does not have exceptionally high rates of sexual violence. It’s more to do with violence against females and minors than assaults per capita. It’s endemic and deep-rooted and relates to (stems from?) their caste system. There’s an Indian dictum used amongst the woman of the nation that goes: “_If you get raped, don’t go to the police unless you want to get raped again!_” ---
**Author:** ![iLemming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90db22/32.png) [@iLemming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iLemming)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/50 "2014-06-01T16:08:07Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > Meh. Outsiders can criticise India all they like, as long as their criticism has basis in fact. There’s plenty to criticise in India about its treatment of women, and I welcome sensible criticism wherever I find it. At the same time, I’m not going to listen to shrill screaming about rape being India’s favourite sport based off of six articles in Indian news sites, or surveys that are poorly done and clearly misleading. If six articles were all, tourists warnings wouldn’t be issued for female travelling to the country and [foreigners wouldn’t be jumping out of hotel windows to avoid knocks at the door.](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9951763/British-tourist-who-jumped-from-hotel-window-will-never-travel-alone-in-India-again.html) The problem with the U.S. is that once they adopt an “ally”, the rose-coloured glasses become welding goggles. That, and the whole “can’t see past their noses” / ignorance thing when it comes to affairs outside North American borders. ‘Insularity’, I think the terms is. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/51 "2014-06-01T16:38:43Z")
> [@](#): > > **bldysabba** > You want to keep using them to bolster your views, go ahead. What views? My views are that conservative societies tend to have more sexual crime than ones that aren’t. Why should India be any different? So let’s say the link that was cited by me was not accurate enough, I’ll provide another example of how this is common in Indian society. > **[Delhi rape: how India's other half lives](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/10/delhi-gang-rape-india-women)** > > The brutal gang-rape on a bus highlighted the routine abuse of Indian women – and how the nation's surge to superpower status has left millions behind struggling on the margins _The eldest of five children, Raju was born to a destitute day labourer with mental health issues and his wife in a village 150 miles east of Delhi, in the vast northern state of Uttar Pradesh which has 180 million inhabitants and socio-economic indicators often worse than those in sub-Saharan Africa._\* As in rural Rajasthan, where the Singh brothers came from, women in the countryside of Uttar Pradesh suffer systematic sexual harassment and often violence. Rape is common and gang rape frequent. Victims are habitually blamed for supposedly enticing their attackers. Many are forced to marry their assailants\*\*; others kill themselves rather than live with the social stigma of being “dishonoured”. Police rarely register a complaint, let alone investigate.\* As I’ve stated previously, it should be commended people are taking issue with this properly and raising it effectively, only then will sexual crime drop. Be glad it’s being dealt with seriously in some way now. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/52 "2014-06-01T17:32:41Z")
> [@iLemming](#): > > You yañ’kees don’t seem to know your best Asian bummies as well as you thought you did… Perhaps it’s time to place your bets on a different counterbalance to China. 😉 “Us yankees” lifted sanctions against India just 13 years ago and we send India [less than one twentieth of the aid funds we send to Pakistan](http://www.foreignassistance.gov/web/CountryIntro.aspx) (in absolute terms; it’d be something like 1/180th per capita.) Hell, we send twice as much to Bangladesh. India is the world’s largest arms importer but spends less than 2% of its procurement budget on American weapons (mostly because of concerns over secondary support.) Other than vague shared notions of democracy, anti-colonialism and secularism, and concerns about Islam, India and the US have almost nothing in common. Where the hell did you get the idea that India and the US are “best buddies”? ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/53 "2014-06-01T22:46:51Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > What views? My views are that conservative societies tend to have more sexual crime than ones that aren’t. Do you have a cite to back that up? > [@](#): > > So let’s say the link that was cited by me was not accurate enough, I’ll provide another example of how this is common in Indian society. > > [Delhi rape: how India's other half lives | India | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/10/delhi-gang-rape-india-women) Just so we’re clear, what you’ve quoted is not a useful cite. This is opinion. I’m asking for an actual cite, from research, done with data, not just a reporter’s opinion. > [@](#): > > As I’ve stated previously, it should be commended people are taking issue with this properly and raising it effectively, only then will sexual crime drop. Be glad it’s being dealt with seriously in some way now. And as I’ve stated, I _am_ glad that this issue is being highlighted, but I also think it’s important to try and be clear what the issue is. The outrage and anger and reporting in India are as much because of poor handling of the issue by police and legal system as they are because of the incidents of rape themselves. It’s not that there are exceptionally high rates of sexual crime - there is no evidence to support that idea - it is that the crime that exists is handled very badly. ---
**Author:** ![iLemming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90db22/32.png) [@iLemming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iLemming)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/54 "2014-06-02T00:38:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > “Us yankees” lifted sanctions against India just 13 years ago and we send India [less than one twentieth of the aid funds we send to Pakistan](http://www.foreignassistance.gov/web/CountryIntro.aspx) (in absolute terms; it’d be something like 1/180th per capita.) Hell, we send twice as much to Bangladesh. India is the world’s largest arms importer but spends less than 2% of its procurement budget on American weapons (mostly because of concerns over secondary support.) It’s not about money. It’s about geopolitics. > [@](#): > > Other than vague shared notions of democracy, anti-colonialism and secularism, and concerns about Islam, India and the US have almost nothing in common. Those are quite significant ‘nothings’. > [@](#): > > Where the hell did you get the idea that India and the US are “best buddies”? “Pivot to Asia”; China’s rise makes for interesting bedfellows; ‘Thanks, Obama’… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/55 "2014-06-02T00:40:55Z")
Did you mean to include links? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/56 "2014-06-02T01:13:50Z")
> [@SandMan1](#): > > I have read many articles that have stated that **US** is the country with the most rapes. USA is the rape capital of the world. > > And yet India only ranks third for the number of rapes reported each year. What country ranks first? The United States. In India, a country of over 1.2 billion people, 24,206 rapes were reported in 2011. The same year in the United States, a nation of 300 million, 83,425 rapes were reported. In the United States, every 6.2 minutes a woman is raped. > > [http://www.more.com/news/india-rape-capital-world](http://www.more.com/news/india-rape-capital-world) > [GLOWIN88 - Situs Slot Online Resmi Indonesia Nomor 1, Nuke Gaming Slot Tergacor Dan Terbaik Hari ini](http://listtoptens.com/top-10-countries-with-highest-rape-crime/) > > The rape problem **seems** worse in India because it is now getting a lot of national and world attention. Many more cases are being reported and the media is giving it a lot of space (which is a good thing). But note that the conviction rate for such crimes is very high in India. Compare that to the US where colleges and universities try and hide rape statistics. > > [Rape In India: Why It Seems Worse | TIME.com](http://world.time.com/2013/11/08/why-rape-seems-worse-in-india-than-everywhere-else-but-actually-isnt/) It actually isn’t? This just came through on my Facebook feed. [Badaun sisters' rape: ‘They could have been saved if police acted', says family | Badaun sisters' rape: ‘They could have been saved if police acted', says family](http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140530/nation-current-affairs/article/uttar-pradesh-gangrape-case-4-arrested-raping-two-dalit) When was the last time two minor girls were gang raped and hung from a tree here in the US? IMHO I think a case can be made that the stats you are quoting are all fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/57 "2014-06-02T01:23:07Z")
You’ve been here long enough to know the difference between data and anecdotes (particularly since you claimed you weren’t drawing any conclusions from the anecdotal evidence you offered earlier.) ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/58 "2014-06-02T01:30:59Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You’ve been here long enough to know the difference between data and anecdotes (particularly since you claimed you weren’t drawing any conclusions from the anecdotal evidence you offered earlier.) No problem. Show me a similar recent anecdote from the US. If the US has such a worse rape problem it shouldn’t take more than 10 seconds with Google. I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/59 "2014-06-02T01:46:46Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > No problem. Show me a similar recent anecdote from the US. > If the US has such a worse rape problem it shouldn’t take more than 10 seconds with Google. > I’ll wait. Apparently I was wrong, and you don’t understand the difference at all. However, [since](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537404/Horror-cell-phone-footage-shows-teenage-girls-holding-peer-ws-brutally-gang-raped.html) [you](http://www.browardtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=273&Itemid=1) [asked](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom)… ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501/60 "2014-06-02T02:30:37Z")
> [@](#): > > **bldysabba** > Do you have a cite to back that up? Yup, just look at Europe in comparison to the US. [http://www.alternet.org/story/154970/5\_countries\_that\_do\_it\_better%3A\_how\_sexual\_prudery\_makes\_america\_a\_less\_healthy\_and\_happy\_place](http://www.alternet.org/story/154970/5_countries_that_do_it_better%3A_how_sexual_prudery_makes_america_a_less_healthy_and_happy_place) > [@](#): > > Just so we’re clear, what you’ve quoted is not a useful cite. This is opinion. I’m asking for an actual cite, from research, done with data, not just a reporter’s opinion. How is it not a useful cite? The guy has written a thorough investigation of the reasons as to why this kind of thing happens, If you bothered to read the article, you’ll see clearly statistics from the World bank the United Nations and the McKinsey institute are provided to back up the account he has written. Pretty arrogant on your part to dismiss it as ‘Opinion’ > [@](#): > > It’s not that there are exceptionally high rates of sexual crime - there is no evidence to support that idea - it is that the crime that exists is handled very badly. Well isn’t that a Catch-22 then? If the police don’t want to effectively handle it, it then gives license to such behavior which would be more common as a result, which would make sense due to the accounts of women being harassed on a daily basis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/india-and-rape-what-the-hell-is-going-on-over-there/689501.md?page=4)