# Indian Jones is a rapist? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508 "2016-03-29T08:30:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/1 "2016-03-29T08:30:50Z")
So I’m watching raiders of the lost ark for the 42nd thousand time. Just now it clicks that Indiana probably statitorily raped Marion some time in the past. The scene when he finds her in the bar, she says something like “I was just a child, and you knew it was wrong!” To which he blows her off by saying “you knew what you were doing” I always knew they had a thing together in their history, but for some reason I never caught that line that seems to imply his affair was with an underage girl. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/2 "2016-03-29T08:42:40Z")
Unless Marion meant “child” figuratively, and that “it was wrong” because she was so-and-so’s daughter. That might be a bit of a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/3 "2016-03-29T08:49:09Z")
It’s “native american” Jones, I think. And that’s not a terrible point. Certainly Marion feels she was taken advantage of. There’s some stuff in 1980’s movies that would be considered insane by today’s standards. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/4 "2016-03-29T08:55:06Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > There’s some stuff in 1980’s movies that would be considered insane by today’s standards. And come to think of it, the relationship in question would have taken in the 1930s or 1940s. Weren’t attitudes toward age differences different back then? Were the laws different? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/5 "2016-03-29T08:56:33Z")
Either she meant child literally, as in pre-pubescent, or she meant it figuratively. I don’t think you’re saying she meant it literally, like she was 8 years old or something. Assuming she meant it figuratively, speaking as an adult I think of and refer to my 18 to early-20s self as a child who knew nothing, virtually indistinguishable from my 15-year-old self. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/6 "2016-03-29T09:34:08Z")
Wikipedia claims she was [fifteen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Ravenwood). Exploitative as hell - and the movie pretty much acknowledges that. But probably not illegal in 1930’s Nepal. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/7 "2016-03-29T10:01:53Z")
Come on, dope! This is the one place I’d expect to find 1930s Nepalese lawyers at 3am! ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/8 "2016-03-29T10:06:12Z")
I always thought the Ravenwoods still lived in America when Indy and Marion were together Irregardless I’m tired of this trend of SJWs looking through all old entertainment and calling people rapists ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/9 "2016-03-29T10:14:59Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > But probably not illegal in 1930’s Nepal. Does anyone share **Aspidistra** ’s assumption that the relationship happened in Nepal? I never assumed so. I figured Marion’s father, like Indiana, was constantly bouncing from one end of the globe to the other with occasional semi-longterm stays in academia at one Western university or another. I figured Marion was also being dragged along, little if any kind of stability in her life- somewhat of an “archaeology brat” akin to army brats. Indy did go to Nepal looking for Abner, not realizing he had died. But it seemed to me that Indy simply knew Nepal to be the _most recent_ location for Abner rather than Nepal having been a long time home where Abner raised his daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/10 "2016-03-29T10:15:18Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > I always thought the Ravenwoods still lived in America when Indy and Marion were together > Irregardless I’m tired of this trend of SJWs looking through all old entertainment and calling people rapists Sooo- this means you are in favor of rapists? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/11 "2016-03-29T10:20:28Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > Irregardless I’m tired of this trend of SJWs looking through all old entertainment and calling people rapists …I’m actually more tired of the trend of calling people “SJW’s”. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/12 "2016-03-29T10:43:20Z")
…so, what? Now we should edit _this_ film so Harrison Ford didn’t shoot first, too?!?!? 😉😃 ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/13 "2016-03-29T10:46:22Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’m actually more tired of the trend of calling people “SJW’s”. It’s too bad they deserve it so richly in many cases. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/14 "2016-03-29T10:50:21Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It’s too bad they deserve it so richly in many cases. Not as bad as dismissing ideas you don’t agree with with a blanket statement, though. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/15 "2016-03-29T10:52:32Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It’s too bad they deserve it so richly in many cases. …no they don’t, as “SJW”'s don’t really exist. For example there aren’t groups of people looking through all old entertainment and calling people rapists. Its a convenient boogyman, a literal strawman, a fictional construct, not a real thing. But that really is a subject for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/16 "2016-03-29T10:59:38Z")
How old was Indy at the time? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/17 "2016-03-29T11:00:10Z")
From [this](http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/3/9089181/indiana-jones-abusive-creep) cite, we have a transcript of the discussion between Lucas, Spielberg, and Kasdan discussing the ages of the people involved: > [@polygon](#): > > Lawrence Kasdan: I like it if they already had a relationship at one point. Because then you don’t have to build it. > > George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven. > > Kasdan: And he was forty-two. > > Lucas: He hasn’t seen her in twelve years. Now she’s twenty-two. It’s a real strange relationship. > > Spielberg: She had better be older than twenty-two. > > Lucas: He’s thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. > > Lucas: It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time. > > Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him. > > Lucas: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it’s an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he… > > Spielberg: She has pictures of him. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/18 "2016-03-29T11:04:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > From [this](http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/3/9089181/indiana-jones-abusive-creep) cite, we have a transcript of the discussion between Lucas, Spielberg, and Kasdan discussing the ages of the people involved: That is creepy as balls. Maybe it’s the SJW in me talking or what, but bloody hell this is creepy. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/19 "2016-03-29T11:08:46Z")
George Lucas had a creepy idea but that didn’t make it into the movie. Spielberg knew better than to make her that young. Back in the old days when people actually tempered Lucas’s bad ideas. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/20 "2016-03-29T12:10:57Z")
Yeah, a really extreme-youth alternative backstory was discussed, and it was dismissed. _“She had better be older than 22”_. No harm done. Instead it’s implied that this all happened while she was in her mid teens – a scenario where she might _ **in hindsight** _ say she was just a child, meaning emotionally, but socially it would not be that \*\*\*badly \*\*\*scandalous by the old standards to be involved with a girl of 15 or 16, except for the not proceeding to marry her. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508.md?page=2)