# Indian Jones is a rapist? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508 "2016-03-29T08:30:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/21 "2016-03-29T12:12:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How old was Indy at the time? Going by the actor’s real ages if she was 15 he was 24. Which works if he is a post doc or doing research for his doctorate under his mentor. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/22 "2016-03-29T12:14:53Z")
A _swashbuckling_ rapist. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/23 "2016-03-29T12:28:38Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Going by the actor’s real ages if she was 15 he was 24. Which works if he is a post doc or doing research for his doctorate under his mentor. In actuality, he was 39 when the first movie was released, which makes her 30 at the time (using their real ages in 1981) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/24 "2016-03-29T12:56:39Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > In actuality, he was 39 when the first movie was released, which makes her 30 at the time (using their real ages in 1981) It’s not the years, honey; it’s the mileage. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/25 "2016-03-29T12:56:50Z")
Arkansas law of consent TODAY is 14. I don’t know or care what it was around the country in the 30’s ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/26 "2016-03-29T13:03:15Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …no they don’t, as “SJW”'s don’t really exist. For example there aren’t groups of people looking through all old entertainment and calling people rapists. Its a convenient boogyman, a literal strawman, a fictional construct, not a real thing. But that really is a subject for another thread. Of course they exist. They aren’t as numerous as some people would have you believe, but they do exist and they’re loud and annoying. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/27 "2016-03-29T13:05:21Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > George Lucas had a creepy idea but that didn’t make it into the movie. Spielberg knew better than to make her that young. Back in the old days when people actually tempered Lucas’s bad ideas. Lucas comes across as a real low-life perv in that conversation, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/28 "2016-03-29T13:06:02Z")
Who wouldn’t want to fight for social justice? What was MLK Jr, if not a (metaphorical) warrior for social justice? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/29 "2016-03-29T13:08:28Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Does anyone share **Aspidistra** ’s assumption that the relationship happened in Nepal? That seems a bizarre assumption. It is unambiguously stated Ravenwood was one of Indy’s mentors. It makes no sense for them to have been in Nepal; it would have been at the university. Marion was in Nepal because her father had taken her overseas and she didn’t feel like coming back. As to her age, the only thing actually said in the movie, which is all that matters, is Marion referring to herself as “a child” when they had an affair and then saying “I’ve learned to hate you in the last ten years!” So whatever age she was it was ten years younger than she is in the movie. How old does she look to you? She sure as hell doesn’t look 23. She looks about 30, which is of course about how old Karen Allen actually was. The logical conclusion I come to as a viewer is that Marion was somewhere between 16 and 20 when the affair started. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/30 "2016-03-29T13:11:43Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > In actuality, he was 39 when the first movie was released, which makes her 30 at the time (using their real ages in 1981) The age of the _character_ has nothing to do with the age of the actor. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/31 "2016-03-29T13:32:48Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > The age of the _character_ has nothing to do with the age of the actor. It certainly does. The _apparent_ age of the actor is the only thing we have to go on to establish the age of the character in the absence of any other evidence internal to the movie - which in this case doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/32 "2016-03-29T13:39:38Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’m actually more tired of the trend of calling people “SJW’s”. I’m just saddened by the use of irregardless. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/33 "2016-03-29T13:39:39Z")
In any case… If Indiana Jones was in-universe a grad/postgrad college man when he got it on with a high-school girl, then _legallistically_ he might have committed an offense, depending on the laws of the land and time, but in the sociocultural context he was not “a rapist” as a character trait or something to be held against him. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/34 "2016-03-29T13:56:34Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Of course they exist. They aren’t as numerous as some people would have you believe, but they do exist and they’re loud and annoying. Back when SJW’s was a concept limited to crazy tumblr posts about how manspreading is a hate crime and such, but then it was appropriated by right wingers to use as a disparaging term to anyone in the left and has nowadays evolved to mean “anybody who’s not in the right side of Attila the Hun”. So, pretty much a tainted word, or acronym. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/35 "2016-03-29T13:57:51Z")
[Indiana Jones Wikia.](http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Marion_Ravenwood#cite_note-Ultimate_Guide-0) > [@](#): > > The script states that Marion’s age in Raiders is 25 years old, making her around 15 at the time of the affair with a 27-year-old Indy. With the release of Indiana Jones: The Ultimate Guide in 2008, **this was changed when Marion’s birthyear was revealed to be 1909** , making her age about 27 at the time of Raiders instead. Karen Allen herself was 28 during Raiders of the Lost Ark. She is nine years younger than Harrison Ford. Making her 16-17. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/36 "2016-03-29T14:01:28Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Indiana Jones Wikia.](http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Marion_Ravenwood#cite_note-Ultimate_Guide-0) > > Making her 16-17. And thus above AoC in most of the USA both then and today. Good call, Spielberg. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/37 "2016-03-29T14:03:50Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > In actuality, he was 39 when the first movie was released, which makes her 30 at the time (using their real ages in 1981) You really read that as me thinking Harrison Ford was 24 and Karen Allen was 15 when the movie was released? Really? We are talking about events in the past (in movie reality). Someone said she was supposedly 15 when the love affair happened. The actors are 9 years apart in age making him 24. Of course movie age and real age are not necessarily the same but it’s a starting point for the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/38 "2016-03-29T14:04:20Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > In any case… > > If Indiana Jones was in-universe a grad/postgrad college man when he got it on with a high-school girl, then _legallistically_ he might have committed an offense, depending on the laws of the land and time, but in the sociocultural context he was not “a rapist” as a character trait or something to be held against him. But he could be a statutory rapist according to our standards. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/39 "2016-03-29T14:20:15Z")
Want a rape case? Sixteen Candles goes all Bill Cosbyish at one point. Even grandmothers are sexually assaulting minors 🙂 And for God’s sake, don’t look up the music video for Putting on the Ritz either. I’m kinda glad SJWs are going after fictional characters that lived in the past. The more time they spend doing that is less time they have to bother us real people in the present. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/40 "2016-03-29T14:22:39Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Lucas comes across as a real low-life perv in that conversation, honestly. So, just after complaining about “loud and annoying” “SJWs” for pointing out things in old entertainment media that are exploitative or offensive by today’s standards, you jump on the “SJW” bandwagon to join in denouncing Lucas for something he said in 1978? Hmm, maybe there’s something socially useful or enlightening after all in confronting and engaging with instances of ideas that people in general **used** to think were okay but now do not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508.md?page=3)