# Indian Jones is a rapist? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508 "2016-03-29T08:30:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/81 "2016-03-30T23:05:30Z")
Indian Jones sounds like it would be a character Tracy Morgan wanted to play on SNL. But then some SJW on staff complained about cultural appropriation so they made him an astronaut instead. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/82 "2016-03-30T23:19:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who wouldn’t want to fight for social justice? What was MLK Jr, if not a (metaphorical) warrior for social justice? That’s not really what people mean by SJW. Think more like the college kids freaking out because someone wrote “TRUMP 2016” in chalk on their campus sidewalks. Okay? Now back on topic. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/83 "2016-03-30T23:47:39Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It’s too bad they deserve it so richly in many cases. No, the bad thing is that “SJW” is always used as an **insult.** The worst thing you can honestly say about the kind of behavior that draws that fire is that it is sometimes a little annoying; and the best things you can say about it are truly awesome. Gandhi and MLK were (pacifist but not quietist) warriors for social justice, and they were better men than any who use “SJW” as an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/84 "2016-03-30T23:49:36Z")
> [@Grestarian](#): > > No. > > Since Raiders depicts a more simplistic world of the 1940’s, the innuendos in Indy’s and Marion’s argument about “way back then” just seemed to me to be about an even simpler (than the 1940’s) time. I haven’t yet gone through the rest of this post, but this is starting off on the wrong foot. The 1940s weren’t “simpler” than today and people were not less complicated. People in general were likely more ignorant, but that’s not the same thing. In any case, this isn’t a work from the 1940s. It’s _set_ in that period, but it is a work from the 1970s, and in analyzing what the story is implying it’s what those things meant in the 1970s that are key. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/85 "2016-03-30T23:50:02Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Remember too that we saw Indy’s female students flirt with him intensely. I’ll bet he has some history of regularly chasing young women. Sounds more like he has a history of running from them. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/86 "2016-03-31T04:32:37Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > …this is starting off on the wrong foot. The 1940s weren’t “simpler” than today… So Hugh [COLOR=Navy]Hefner’s empire and \*The Pill \*and [/COLOR][COLOR=Navy][COLOR=Navy]the Sexual Revolution of [/COLOR]the 1960’s and and Roe v. Wade had no impact? Dating behaviors were exactly the same and teens were just as promiscuous but the lack of media and scandalous coverage merely made that fact less well-known? [/COLOR] > [@Acsenray](#): > > In any case, this isn’t a work from the 1940s. It’s set in that period, but it is a work from the 1970s and, in analyzing what the story is implying, it’s what those things meant in the 1970s that are key. I see your point and appreciate the approach but I think it’s an equally valid approach to immerse oneself into a work of fiction (or history) and see the world from the characters’ perspective, which is what several of us are arguing. That would mean understanding what social values and mores Henry Junior and Marion were operating within (or actively ignoring) during the period they’re arguing about in the Nepalese bar scene. Otherwise we could also open a separate thread to ask if Manny Wilder was a statutory rapist by 1970s and early 1980s standards for screwing Laura Ingalls – who bragged in the series that she was “Almost 16! Just about the same age my momma was when she got married!” [And, for that matter, that would have made her father a statutory rapist by the standards of the viewers’ time, as well. But this should be a separate thread (or ignored) so we don’t hijack this one.] From a \*sui generis \*perspective – trying to understand the characters’ world through their context, I saw Indy and Marion talking about themselves as kids, she being deeply in love and thinking “This is the man of my life!” and being heartbroken when he left for whatever reasons. I think parts of Raiders and various parts of Skull suggest Indy still truly loved her (though he might have truly loved several of his other conquests from the Young Indy Chronicles, as well). > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Sounds more like he has a history of running from them. Yeah, to the extent of climbing out the back window of his office to get away (well, from the male students, too). —G! \*Maybe he didn’t want to leave but he was running from another treasure-hunter whose artifact he stole – because it really belonged in a museum. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/87 "2016-03-31T05:34:22Z")
What’s up with the colored text? It’s very difficult to read. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/88 "2016-03-31T05:43:17Z")
This entire thread has become basically impossible to read, colored fonts or otherwise. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/89 "2016-03-31T06:44:56Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > You know, we had this discussion several years ago on the Dope already, and no one felt the need to go throwing tumblr insults of SJW (or the 2010 version, feminazi) around. We just discussed pop culture. As you do on the internet. > > I think it’s a reflection of the times in which he fictionally lived. It _is_ interesting. It’s a 1980s comment on 1930’s attitudes regarding women and consent. As a bit of an aside - Gypsies Tramps and Thieves came out in 1971 - portraying a similar age gap (16 vs 21) and a threat of murder… ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/90 "2016-03-31T07:21:23Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Yep, no different than watching all the cigarette smoking going on in Casablanca, say, or the drinking in The Thin Man (I really can’t imagine folks had the capacity that those two seem to have in that film!!). I just watch it and kinda think “man, different times.” > > And yeah, that 80’s view of 30’s matters. As has already been pointed out, a whole bunch of 80’s hit movies show behaviors that these days would cross many lines. Man, different times. Always interesting discussions with my teenagers when we see those movies… And 50 years from now, around 2066, they’re going to look back on some of our behaviors and say, “Man, different times.” ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/91 "2016-03-31T14:29:03Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What’s up with the colored text? It’s very difficult to read. Indiana Jones is a Grapist. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/92 "2016-03-31T15:50:52Z")
Wait, it’s half your age PLUS seven?! I was misinformed! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/93 "2016-04-01T19:57:29Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > And one of the things she seems to be mad about is that she partly blames him for her being stuck in the dump she’s in - ie ‘well, if you hadn’t run off on us, I would have had some support and would have been able to get out of here’. That seems to be the point of the ‘we’re all sorry about something’ speech. I really don’t get that our of her speech at all. She’s angry at him for a busted love affair in which she feels she was used. It doesn’t have to get a lot more complicated than that. Her meeting Indiana at the university is quite plausible given that it is suggested Ravenwood and Indiana were very close. But “had a bit of a falling out, I’m afraid…” which was presumably a falling out when Ravenwood found out Indy was nailing his daughter, a scandalous thing circa 1926. As to why Marion is stuck in Nepal, though the extent to which she chooses to stay there is unclear, well, as she says, her father’s dead. (It is noteworthy that she refers to him by his given name, Abner, not as “Dad.”) I’d presume he took her there at some point after the falling out. It seems the most likely scenario. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/94 "2016-04-01T20:08:13Z")
Sometimes those old movies blow my mind with the stuff that wouldn’t go over to well and probably result in protests and boycotts. Does anyone remember that old Clint Eastwood cowboy movie where this blonde upper class woman kind of mouths off to him and he drags her violently into a barn and rapes her but the in the middle of the rape she starts to enjoy it?:eek: ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/95 "2016-04-01T20:16:15Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > So I’m watching raiders of the lost ark for the 42nd thousand time. Just now it clicks that Indiana probably statitorily raped Marion some time in the past. The scene when he finds her in the bar, she says something like “I was just a child, and you knew it was wrong!” To which he blows her off by saying “you knew what you were doing”. The first scene in the movie shows a college undergrad flirting with Professor Jones in class. The Marion deal was probably a similar situation. It’s routine for people to refer to themselves as “a child” to exaggerate their youth at a certain point in time. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/96 "2016-04-01T21:19:52Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Sometimes those old movies blow my mind with the stuff that wouldn’t go over to well and probably result in protests and boycotts. Does anyone remember that old Clint Eastwood cowboy movie […] _High Plains Drifter_ was pretty deliberately provocative back in the day, even. It was one of the four 1973 movies condemned by the Legion of Decency. And a [New York Times reviewer commented:](http://www.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9E05EFDD1331EF34BC4851DFB2668388669EDE) > [@](#): > > Callie Travers […] complains to the sheriff: “Isn’t forcible rape in broad daylight still a misdemeanor in this town?” > > It is not, and has not been for some time, not since the good citizens of the little frontier community of Lago banded together to murder their former sheriff, an honorable man who had wanted to reveal that the town’s mining company was on Government land. > > “High Plains Drifter,” with Eastwood as director as well as star, is part ghost story, part revenge Western, more than a little silly, and often quite entertaining in a way that may make you wonder if you have lost your good sense. The violence of the film (including a couple of murders by bull-whipping) is continual and explicit. It exalts and delights in a kind of pitiless Old Testament wrath. > > However, it is also apparent that neither Ernest Tidyman, who wrote the screenplay, nor Eastwood are taking themselves too seriously. Eastwood’s characterization of The Stranger, who settles God’s score with Lago, is a high parody of the soft-featured, brutal Man With No Name he played in those bitter Sergio Leone Westerns. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/97 "2016-04-02T19:33:44Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > No, I was here because I was interested in what the OP was talking about. I made a comment about the fallacious statement that SJWs don’t exist. Then some guy who wants nothing but to argue started telling me that the fact I found Lucas’ quote skeevy means I am an SJW or something. I am not interested in that twisted line of reasoning. And I won’t be responding to you again either. Nice talking to you. It does. Because that’s how the term is used. What you did is the very thing that people who use that term would actually use it for. You chose to use a term created and used by bigotry apologists. So someone pointed out those bigotry apologists would use that word against you, too. SJW is an insulting term for people a certain group disagrees with. They don’t exist, any more than feminazis or libtards exist. It’s just someone you think is too sensitive. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/98 "2016-04-02T19:44:15Z")
> [@Grestarian](#): > > So Hugh [COLOR=Navy]Hefner’s empire and \*The Pill \*and [/COLOR][COLOR=Navy][COLOR=Navy]the Sexual Revolution of [/COLOR]the 1960’s and and Roe v. Wade had no impact? Dating behaviors were exactly the same and teens were just as promiscuous but the lack of media and scandalous coverage merely made that fact less well-known? > [/COLOR] Different, sure. But “different” and “simpler” aren’t the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/99 "2016-04-03T02:24:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Wait, it’s half your age PLUS seven?! I was misinformed! No, no - that’s dog years. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508/100 "2016-04-03T03:27:29Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > That is creepy as balls. Maybe it’s the SJW in me talking or what, but bloody hell this is creepy. You’re not wrong, and I’m no SJW at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indian-jones-is-a-rapist/750508.md?page=4)