# Indiana Joins New Jersey on BJ card counters: can't eject 'em! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 9, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-joins-new-jersey-on-bj-card-counters-cant-eject-em/516909 "2009-11-09T16:21:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-joins-new-jersey-on-bj-card-counters-cant-eject-em/516909/41 "2009-11-23T19:27:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Another case of a stupid card counter screwing things up for the rest of them. > > The casino is not in business to lose money. If they can’t legally keep the counters out, then you should have every expectation that the casino will change the rules of the game to make card counting unprofitable or at least low enough in profit to keep the teams and big bankroll pros away. > > A system in which there is tension between counters and the casino, with no laws being broken, is best for all parties. The casinos prefer it, because it allows them to offer games that are more enticing to the public. The _good_ counters like it, because they’ve learned to camouflage their play and income is still largely based on skill. The casinos tolerate it because the number of counters who can bet large enough to hurt the casino without tipping the casino off that they are card counters is vanishingly small. > > But now a law has been passed, and the games will be forced to change. The average player will either have to sit through more shuffles or a continuous shuffle machine. The house’s profit will go down. The counters won’t be kicked out, but the games won’t be worth counting. Bah. This matches the long-standing law in Atlantic City. Has the state of blackjack in AC reached the lows you contemplate here? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-joins-new-jersey-on-bj-card-counters-cant-eject-em/516909/42 "2009-11-23T19:37:55Z")
> [@bup](#): > > He didn’t say they were _successful_ systems. > > People buy insurance and split depending on what cards they have and what the dealer’s showing. Those are rational, but don’t tip the odds in the better’s favor. > > That may not be what **gonzomax** meant by changing bets, though. There are strategies that start with a small bet. then if you lose a few times, they think you are due for a hit, so they step the bet up a lot. The idea is to recoup all your losses on one win. Then start over. There are hundreds of systems. Counting is the best ,but not everyone can do it. The others don’t really work, but the player should be entitled to try them. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-joins-new-jersey-on-bj-card-counters-cant-eject-em/516909/43 "2009-11-23T20:12:13Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > There are strategies that start with a small bet. then if you lose a few times, they think you are due for a hit, so they step the bet up a lot. The idea is to recoup all your losses on one win. Then start over. > There are hundreds of systems. Counting is the best ,but not everyone can do it. The others don’t really work, but the player should be entitled to try them. The casinos _love_ people who use systems like the [martingale](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)). Because they don’t work, but the players think they do, so they keep coming back. Casinos would never, ever ban someone with a system like that. Card counting in blackjack is the only system which can you give a positive expectation against the casino, which is why they want to keep real counters out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-joins-new-jersey-on-bj-card-counters-cant-eject-em/516909.md?page=2)