# Indiana/Shooting/Firearm Question **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 20, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285 "2022-07-20T21:49:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285/21 "2022-07-21T13:03:44Z")
Depends on the state. In Missouri, with a permit all they can do is ask you to leave. With Constitutional Carry, no permit, you could be arrested. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285/22 "2022-07-21T13:27:35Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > A mentally ill man rammed the family in a truck, then jumped out and opened fire with a shotgun. I hope I’m not continuing a hijack to address two things here. First, this was not even close to a random attack. > The sheriff’s office did not give a motive for the attack, but said that Mr. Madden had previously been in a relationship with Christina Siau, and that he had unspecified “mental health issues.” > [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/us/montana-shooting-attack.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/us/montana-shooting-attack.html) Also, where did you see this? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The Aunt of one of the victims was carrying The articles I’ve seen all say she “fought for her life and killed the attacker” without specifying _how_ she managed to do that. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285/23 "2022-07-21T14:18:09Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > The articles I’ve seen all say she “fought for her life and killed the attacker” without specifying _how_ she managed to do that. > Derick Amos Madden’s sister told The Daily Beast that the unthinkable attack near Glacier National Park only ended when he was killed with his own knife. [Derick Amos Madden, Ex Who Unleashed Terror on Siau Family in East Glacier, Montana, Had ‘Red Flags’ (thedailybeast.com)](https://www.thedailybeast.com/derick-amos-madden-ex-who-unleashed-terror-on-siau-family-in-east-glacier-montana-had-red-flags) ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285/24 "2022-07-21T14:55:41Z")
Thank you. I figured if she had used a concealed firearm that would have been mentioned in most of the stories. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285/25 "2022-07-21T18:29:27Z")
I didn’t read the article, I don’t subscribe to the NYT I would like to know what the good guy did after he shot the bad guy. Did he conceal or lose his firearm before the cops showed up? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285/26 "2022-07-22T08:48:00Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > In China in 2010, a man went on a rampage with a bucket loader and killed 17 people and injured 20 others. > > Also in China in 2014, eight people armed with knives killed 31 people and injured 140 more. > > In Japan in 2016, a single person armed with a knife went into a care home and killed 19 people and wounded 26 more. > > In 2017 a man drove into a crowd on Westminster bridge, killing four people and injuring 50. > > Four months later three men drove a truck through a crowd on London Bridge, then jumped out and started attacking others. Eight people were killed. > > In 2018 there were two vehicle ramming attacks in NYC that killed a total of nine people. Well, well, well > So if you can’t stop the lunatics, the next best thing is to give people the means to defend themselves In which of those would armed bystanders have been able to do much, if at all. _Maybe_ the knife attacks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/indiana-shooting-firearm-question/968285.md?page=1)