# infamous movies, never to be seen again **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 26, 2006, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264 "2006-04-26T06:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pope\_hentai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@pope\_hentai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pope_hentai)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/1 "2006-04-26T06:39:36Z")
inspired by [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368791) thread… what are some movies that will probably never be seen or heard from through legitamate means? IE: “song of the south” ---
**Author:** ![TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/2 "2006-04-26T07:12:46Z")
Last I heard, “Song of the South” is slated to be released later this year on DVD. Not necessarily infamous, but Matthew Barney’s _The Cremaster Cycle_ series of silms will never be released on DVD, and his recent “Drawing Restraint 9” has been advertised with an enormous “this film will never be released on DVD” disclaimer. The aformentioned will not be released for “art” reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/3 "2006-04-26T07:35:23Z")
If you can wait until 2042, _Song of the South_ will be in the public domain. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/4 "2006-04-26T08:33:24Z")
[_Greed_.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greed_%28film%29) ---
**Author:** ![snorlax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@snorlax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snorlax)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/5 "2006-04-26T08:50:41Z")
[Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Black_and_de_Sebben_Dwarfs), a wartime Merrie Melodies blackface parody of Snow White. It would be impossible to trim this down to meet modern standards - barely a single frame would be left. It is the best known of the [Censored Eleven](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censored_Eleven) classic Warner Brothers cartoons removed from distribution due to racial sensitivities. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/6 "2006-04-26T09:04:33Z")
_The Radio Pizza Show_, starring Leo Gorcey and Marjorie Main, possibly the first Hollywood movie to feature pizza in it. It was never transferred from nitrate stock, and no version of it is known to have survived. Probably not a big deal, though. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/7 "2006-04-26T09:14:05Z")
When was _The Radio Pizza Show_ made? It’s not on the IMDb. Was it a short subject? ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/8 "2006-04-26T10:04:53Z")
> [@Walloon](#): > > When was _The Radio Pizza Show_ made? It’s not on the IMDb. Was it a short subject? Many years ago I started a thread in the alt.fan.cecil-adams Usenet newsgroup about the earliest known mention of pizza in an American film. (I always found it odd that pizza never shows up in old movies from the 40s and 50s, which made me wonder if Americans ever heard of the stuff prior to the first time I ever ate it, circa 1965. Turns out it’s been around in some form in America since the 1890s and crazy popular since the last GIs got back from Italy circa 1950.) A poster named “lalbert” gave this fascinating response: > [@](#): > > The first on-screen pizza to be mentioned AND shown was in a film > made in 1937 called, “The Radio-Pizza Show” (in the the 30’s the > radio was considered the high-tech science of the times, and > many things, including films, had the word “radio” or “broadcast” attached > for marketing pizzaz: Radio Flyer coaster wagon, the “Big Broadcast” film > series, etc.). The film starred Marjorie Main and Jon Hall as a happy-go-lucky > vaudevillian dance team. They leave the vaudeville stage and open a pizza > restaurant that is visited by many radio personalities of the time, and at > the highlight of the film they actually do a radio broadcast from the pizza > restaurant. Leo Gorcey made his screen debut in this film as a tough but > kind hearted pizza delivery boy. I never saw the film, but it was described > by an old time movie studio carpenter who used to post on rec.arts.movies. > Unfortunately the film was destroyed during the process of transferring > it from the nitrate based film stock used at the time. And this is the extent of my knowledge on the subject. If you ever find out more, please let me know! ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/9 "2006-04-26T12:05:30Z")
_The Day the Clown Cried,_ Jerry Lewis’s concentration camp movie, may never see the light of day unless Jerry relents, or arranges to re-release it after his death. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/10 "2006-04-26T12:24:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs, a wartime Merrie Melodies blackface parody of Snow White. It would be impossible to trim this down to meet modern standards - barely a single frame would be left. I’ve seen this plenty of times at art movie theaters. Of course, most of them are gone or ailing (even the Brattle in Harvard Square has an iffy prognosis), so I don’t know where you’d see it, outside of bootleg copies. There are bootleg copies of the uncensored **Fantasia** out there. I have a copy of **song of the South** myself. It makes it more difficult to see, but not impossible. You want hard to see? Try **Cocksucker Blues** : > **[The Rolling Stones: Cocksucker Blues (1972) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068389/)** > > The Rolling Stones: Cocksucker Blues: Directed by Robert Frank. With Truman Capote, Dick Cavett, Marshall Chess, Chris Collins. Follow the Rolling Stones on their 1972 North American Tour and their first return to the States since the tragedy at... To answer the OP, even harder to see is **The Animal World**. > **[The Animal World (1956) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048950/)** > > The Animal World: Directed by Irwin Allen. With Theodore von Eltz, John Storm. A documentary showcasing the world's many different animal species, both past and present. Evidently no prints still exist, although the animated dino scenes ended up in the abysmal **Trog** [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066492/](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066492/) ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/11 "2006-04-26T12:26:39Z")
I had heard that _Myra Breckenridge_ would never be released, but a friend of mine told me he’d seen it. Described it accurately as far as I can tell (“Boring, despite Raquel Welch doin’ some guy with a strap-on”). ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/12 "2006-04-26T13:28:06Z")
John Waters will never allow his earliest films, _Hag in a Black Leather Jacket, Eat Your Makeup_, and _Roman Candles_ to be seen again, simply because he says they were experimental and amateurish. He still has them stuffed in the back of his closet somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/13 "2006-04-26T13:32:46Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I had heard that _Myra Breckenridge_ would never be released, but a friend of mine told me he’d seen it. Myra Breckenridge runs on Fox Movie Channel seemingly every three days. It has been released on VHS and DVD. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/14 "2006-04-26T14:32:01Z")
**Coal Black** is on YouTube, although it’s not the best print. The sad thing is, it’s really not all that offensive as you’d think. I mean, it’s certainly not a modern cartoon, but the characters seem to actually be voiced by black actors, and the animation is really good and original. It might make you a little uncomfortable, but it’s not the huge shocker I was expecting. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/15 "2006-04-26T14:35:30Z")
The original Fantastic Four movie because it is embarassingly horrid. Not that the remake was that good. ---
**Author:** ![snorlax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@snorlax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snorlax)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/16 "2006-04-26T14:54:18Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > **Coal Black** is on YouTube, although it’s not the best print. The sad thing is, it’s really not all that offensive as you’d think. I mean, it’s certainly not a modern cartoon, but the characters seem to actually be voiced by black actors, and the animation is really good and original. It might make you a little uncomfortable, but it’s not the huge shocker I was expecting. There are some higher quality screenshots linked from the bottom of the [Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Black_and_de_Sebben_Dwarfs). I think it depends on what you’d consider offensive. It is certainly good-natured but there are loads of racial stereotypes. Apart from the racial issues it is interesting how upfront the sexuality is for a cartoon of that period. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/17 "2006-04-26T15:02:47Z")
> [@pool](#): > > The original Fantastic Four movie because it is embarassingly horrid. Not that the remake was that good. The original hasn’t been officially released but bootlegs are readily available. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/18 "2006-04-26T15:12:53Z")
I’d say many of Stepin Fetchit’s movies. Maybe Willie Best, too. According to Leonard Maltin, \*Max Davidson was in a number of shorts that featured (IIRC) “Yiddish” humor. Those have yet to see the light of day. \*Best known as the crazy man living in the “hanted” house in the “Our Gang” short “Moan & Groan, Inc.” who keeps saying, “I know. . . BUT I WON"T TELL YA.” And especially terrorizes Farina with his “toikey legs.” ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/19 "2006-04-26T15:24:03Z")
Stanley Kubrick’s first film, _Fear and Desire_, may eventually turn up on a bootleg, but it will probably never get an official release. Kubrick regarded it as a journeyman piece, and did everything he could to suppress it after its initial release. I understand that it really is pretty bad, but after all he was just starting to learn his craft and had only the thinnest of shoestring budgets to work with. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264/20 "2006-04-26T15:33:56Z")
John Huston’s “The Kremlin Letter” is a curiosity. Despite a stellar cast, it seems to be a largely forgotten movie. It does, thankfully, air occasionally on FMC, but it’s never been released. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infamous-movies-never-to-be-seen-again/354264.md?page=2)