# Infants Fly Free? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229 "2012-04-19T01:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/101 "2012-04-25T02:38:01Z")
> [@nate](#): > > Nobody _likes_ having to fly with thier infant child. So as much as you hate it, I’m sure the mom and dad hate it even worse. It’s probably 10 times more stressful for them as it is you and it is more than likely an unavoidable situation. Can I just say that we traveled with anklebiters a number of times, and exactly zero of those trips were “unavoidable”. BUT… those were happy, well-behaved toddlers. When those kids were infants, we _ **didn’t take them on planes** _. We took a couple of years off from our usually-annual trips to Seattle (yes, I went through rain-and-coffee withdrawal, but we weren’t sure we could keep the baby and everyone else happy on the flight). We just told people if they wanted to see that we’d procreated, they’d have to visit us. A lot of friends thought we were being silly, but a cross-country flight is not a quick hop (and twice as long with each decibel of crying child). [pats self on back for being a human being] [with at least minimal thoughtfulness] ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/102 "2012-04-25T02:57:58Z")
One airline, [WestJet](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SkoJy3D0M), has already solved the whole crying kids problem! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/103 "2012-04-25T05:30:38Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > How best to demonstrate how stupid this OP is? Ah yes. Curlcoat agrees with you. I don’t think you could ask for much clearer proof that you’re talking absolute shite. > > [$35](http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/skullcandy-titan.php) buys you a set of decent, in the ear, noise blocking headphones. Combine that with the general engine noise, and you’re laughing, even the shoutiest of 2 year old tantrums becoming just a small part of the background noise to whatever you’re listening to. That’s all. Or alternatively just acknowledge that children are an essential part of the human race are children, and bloody learn to deal with it, rather than whining about them like a spoilt gobshite. Speaking of talking absolute shit (sorry, I’m not going to spell it the cutsey way). Taking each of your extremely stupid points one at a time - Headphones. Beyond the fact that no one should have to pay any money to have a half way peaceful flight beyond whatever the ticket cost, it’s pretty obvious that you have never used those things. I have and they do not reduce loud obnoxious noises to small background to whatever you are listening to. Perhaps if the squalling baby is at the other end of the plane, but if it is within a couple-three rows? No. Not to mention that it isn’t the responsibility of the surrounding populace to deal with a strangers child. Children, or rather “children are an essential part of the human race are children”. Nobody said that children are not, well I don’t agree essential but they are certainly part of society. However, that is not the subject here, which is both the ever growing popularity of dragging babies all over the place, and the extreme lack of concern how that will impact anyone near by. It has been emphasized over and over that the subject is not all babies, it is just those where the mother doesn’t want to or doesn’t know how to keep her kids happy, quiet and out of the way of everyone else when out in public. There is just no excuse for some of the behavior that is considered normal these days, and that starts with any mother that allows her baby to cry thruout a long flight. > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I spent a grand total of 23 hours across four flights on my recent vacation. The number-one most annoying thing that happened: A 20ish girl sitting diagonally from me had a friend seated way in the back of the plane, and this friend immediately hopped out of her seat to take a squatting position in the aisle to laugh and squee with her seated friend about all the awesome and hilarious hijinks they had had on their recent vacation. This was a 10-hour flight. Annoying Loud Squee Girl was camped next to my seat for around 3 hours of it. If you’re going to have a special noiseproof Baby Hold, I want to throw Squee Girl into it. The airline allowed this? I thought this was illegal? Yes, I too vote that Squee Girl should go in the hold, if for no other reason that an aisle is not for sitting in. > [@](#): > > Second most annoying thing that happened: When I boarded the final flight of my trip, I was seated next to a guy who kept nudging me and trying to get me to commiserate with him about the people across the aisle who had a small child. “THIS should be good,” “ugh,” loud sighing, etc. It was fucking annoying. The kid was completely quiet through all of this, incidentally. He continued to do that even tho the kid was quiet? > [@digs](#): > > Can I just say that we traveled with anklebiters a number of times, and exactly zero of those trips were “unavoidable”. > > BUT… those were happy, well-behaved toddlers. When those kids were infants, we _ **didn’t take them on planes** _. We took a couple of years off from our usually-annual trips to Seattle (yes, I went through rain-and-coffee withdrawal, but we weren’t sure we could keep the baby and everyone else happy on the flight). > > We just told people if they wanted to see that we’d procreated, they’d have to visit us. A lot of friends thought we were being silly, but a cross-country flight is not a quick hop (and twice as long with each decibel of crying child). > > [pats self on back for being a human being] [with at least minimal thoughtfulness] Thank you both for doing that and for proving it can easily be done. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/104 "2012-04-25T05:53:21Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > it isn’t me who is exaggerating what folks have said. Look at the title of this thread - infants fly free. Not ban the suckers, its “why are they free”. I’m not going to go back and read the whole thread again, so I’m sure that at some point there were posts about banning them totally, but for the most part we have addressed the OP - flying free. > > I have also not called all parents incompetent boobs or complete fools. I have specified those parents who fly with babies who cannot be bothered to plan ahead - the fact that those parents are getting more common does not mean that I said all parents. Neither of these things are true - the OP didn’t use the word ‘banned’, but he clearly said babies should not be allowed on planes at all: > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > the _last_ thing you should be allowed to take with you is something which: > [ol] > [li]Is extremely loud and grating[/li][li]Is liable to smell completely disgusting for prolonged periods of time[/li][li]YOU’RE NOT ABLE OR ALLOWED TO TURN OFF / MURDER![/li][/ol] And you clearly said that all parents who flew with babies were brainless: > [@curlcoat](#): > > While I agree this should be true (unless they chose to have a brain and leave said infant home) So, anything else you want to lie about, Liar McLyingPants? > [@](#): > > No, the world is not the same place it was when I was a kid if for no other reason, kids didn’t get away with being annoying little shits back then. “Seen and not heard” was real back then. Parents weren’t trying to be friends with their kids, there were no awards for just showing up and bad manners weren’t excused as self expression. I know you are just intellectually incapable of getting this, but kids are no better or worse than they have ever been. There are more kids on planes, both good and bad, because plane travel has become more common and affordable. You look for only the kids who support your own bias and ignore the rest, and when this is pointed out you then fall back on “I’m old, so I know everything about everything”. I hope you enjoy this (you certainly seem to), But there is just no evidence that you were raised in some golden age of wonderful children whereas today all children are hellspawn. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/105 "2012-04-25T05:55:48Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > just acknowledge that children are an essential part of the human race are children, and bloody learn to deal with it, rather than whining about them like a spoilt gobshite. You’re addressing someone here who thinks that the USA could go an entire generation without any children at all, so I’m pretty sure this idea is going to be too subtle for her. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/106 "2012-04-25T06:19:40Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Neither of these things are true - the OP didn’t use the word ‘banned’, but he clearly said babies should not be allowed on planes at all: When you cut hell out of someone’s post, you usually can make it seem to say what you want it to. Such as here, where you fail to note that the post began and ended with bemoaning the fact that babies fly free. So the part you cut out was actually in regards to things that one can take on the flight free, which shouldn’t include potentially smelly air raid sirens that one cannot turn off. > [@](#): > > And you clearly said that all parents who flew with babies were brainless: Again, cutting hell out of a post can really make it look like it says what you want it too, doesn’t it? That one is so sliced that I can’t even tell where it’s from and I’m not going to bother to look. However, even in this sliced and diced condition it’s pretty obvious I’m not talking about all babies since I said “said infant”. Do you want me to explain what that means? > [@](#): > > I know you are just intellectually incapable of getting this, but kids are no better or worse than they have ever been. You know this how? > [@](#): > > You look for only the kids who support your own bias and ignore the rest, Nope. > [@](#): > > and when this is pointed out you then fall back on “I’m old, so I know everything about everything”. Naw, I just say that to you because you are wrong so terribly often. > [@](#): > > But there is just no evidence that you were raised in some golden age of wonderful children whereas today all children are hellspawn. Not that I’ve ever said that. I cannot imagine there has ever been a golden age of wonderful children, and neither do I think all current kids are hellspawn. What I have _actually_ said, and what has been said by others, is that far too many parents these days seem to have take that “it takes a village” bullshit to heart and don’t see why the world can’t be their kids playground. But because you cannot seem to understand anything other than black and white, you just cannot grasp this concept. > [@Meyer6](#): > > You’re addressing someone here who thinks that the USA could go an entire generation without any children at all, so I’m pretty sure this idea is going to be too subtle for her. Cite where I said that. Of course, I’ve asked you to do that over and over and you never do, so I do wonder which one of us is doing the lying here… ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/107 "2012-04-25T06:43:21Z")
Aww, diddums, did I misrepresent your little post? You never, ever said that anyone who brought an infant on a plane was a moron, or that babies should be banned, right? Let’s look at that exchange in its entirety, shall we? > [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > You’re absolutely right; parents of infants she should absolutely barred from air travel. > [@curlcoat](#): > > While I agree this should be true (unless they chose to have a brain and leave said infant home) where did the OP say this? Right, I just can’t see where I could have got the idea that you said either of those things. It must just be my crazy knee-jerk reaction that makes me read posts by you and think that they’re hateful and stupid. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/108 "2012-04-25T07:45:56Z")
Also, just for good measure: * * * > [@curlcoat](#): > > Cite where I said that. Of course, I’ve asked you to do that over and over and you never do, so I do wonder which one of us is doing the lying here… > [@Health care horror story #13848732](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/319): > > We could go a generation in the US with no babies at all and it would be a drop in the bucket WRT the human population. Also, I frequently cite your bullshit in the apparently vain hopes that you will finally realize that all these words you have written on this magic glowing box are still here for the rest of us to see, so there’s really no point in lying. I know you are going to either shriek about how unfair it is that I dare to cut your giant walls of text into manageable chunks, stomp your feet about how I’m ‘twisting’ your words somehow, and possibly crack out ‘your life must be awfully sad if you spent time finding that quote’ ( it took about 5minutes, BTW), but them’s the breaks, sparky. Anyways, unless you have something new to say that falls into a category other than “I hate all children everywhere”, “when I was a kid everything was better”, or “I’m being unfairly persecuted by these meanies because they won’t let me express my hatred without commenting on it”, I’m out. This thread has been turned into the curlcoat show long enough, time to let it die. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/109 "2012-04-25T10:38:50Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > You’re addressing someone here who thinks that the USA could go an entire generation without any children at all, so I’m pretty sure this idea is going to be too subtle for her. Small correction: I was addressing the OP. I’ll address curlcoat just as soon as it can pass a Turing test. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/110 "2012-04-25T11:51:01Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > The airline allowed this? I thought this was illegal? Yes, I too vote that Squee Girl should go in the hold, if for no other reason that an aisle is not for sitting in. What do you mean, illegal? There’s no law against someone standing in the aisle of a plane while in flight. Individual airlines might have rules about it, I have no idea. This was a British Airways flight and the staff apparently had no problem with it. The seatbelt sign was off the entire time. > [@](#): > > He continued to do that even tho the kid was quiet? It lasted for about five, ten minutes or so. Do you want a written transcript, Inspector Columbo? (Edit: That was rhetorical. This is as far as I’m willing to stick my hand into the crazy this morning.) ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/111 "2012-04-25T15:31:54Z")
As an oldster I rather like associating with youngsters. They add some liveliness to life. The one really bad time I had was on a flight between Islip and Midway. A baby two seats ahead and across the aisle from me screamed the entire 140 minute trip. An amazing feat of endurance. The poor kid had an ear infection and probably had a great deal of pain at high altitude. I doubt many parents look forward to flying with small kids. They do it when they must. Be comforted it’s not an eight day trans-Siberian journey in a cattle car with not only screaming kids, but an open latrine. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/112 "2012-04-25T18:20:18Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Can I just say that we traveled with anklebiters a number of times, and exactly zero of those trips were “unavoidable”. > > BUT… those were happy, well-behaved toddlers. When those kids were infants, we _ **didn’t take them on planes** _. We took a couple of years off from our usually-annual trips to Seattle (yes, I went through rain-and-coffee withdrawal, but we weren’t sure we could keep the baby and everyone else happy on the flight). > > We just told people if they wanted to see that we’d procreated, they’d have to visit us. A lot of friends thought we were being silly, but a cross-country flight is not a quick hop (and twice as long with each decibel of crying child). > > [pats self on back for being a human being] [with at least minimal thoughtfulness] I totally understand you. However, in our case, we have some relatives that are too frail to travel. We wanted them to see our child also. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/113 "2012-04-25T19:31:17Z")
> [@EmAnJ](#): > > Ban everyone under 25. After they are babies, they’re _toddlers_, toddlers who know when they’re being annoying and take joy in pushing your buttons more. But then they turn in to 4 to 8 year olds, the ones that constantly whine about being bored and kick your seat and get up a million times to use the bathroom, putting their sticky hands on the head rest of your seat as they climb over mom and dad’s lap. But wait! Then they become pre-teens and teenagers, and they are loud and annoying once again. They tell loud stories and laugh at an ear drum piercing level for half the flight. They play their video games with the volume on even! And then, _then_ they hit 21 and they can DRINK on the plane. They get drunk with their buddies and harass the flight attendants. > > Let’s ban flying altogether. There are too many annoying people in the world and I always forget my earphones so can’t plug in to the TV/iPod/MP3 player to drown out the noise. Please, please, let’s ban geeky guys. Every time I fly on business, i.e. I’m traveling alone, I get seated next to some geeky guy who thinks that a business trip is my excuse to get it on with a stranger, and it might as well be him. I’m a polite sociable person who makes small talk on a plane, that doesn’t mean I’m hot for you, nor is it permission to rub yourself against my chest in some sort of “this seat is so small” move. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/114 "2012-04-26T07:29:52Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Aww, diddums, did I misrepresent your little post? You never, ever said that anyone who brought an infant on a plane was a moron, or that babies should be banned, right? Let’s look at that exchange in its entirety, shall we? As you well know, that isn’t even close to that exchange in it’s entirety. Why is it that you are afraid to just point to a post number instead of just cutting and pasting the parts you like? > [@Meyer6](#): > > Also, just for good measure: You _seriously_ think saying that the US not reproducing for a generation would just be a drop in the bucket WRT the human population is the same thing as saying “the USA could go an entire generation without any children at all”? You are really dumb enough to not know that one had to do with overpopulation and the other was about the effects of no kids for a generation? > [@](#): > > Also, I frequently cite your bullshit in the apparently vain hopes that you will finally realize that all these words you have written on this magic glowing box are still here for the rest of us to see, so there’s really no point in lying. Except, the few times you do try to back up your lies about what I’ve said, you either twist it by clever cut and paste, or you are just flat wrong. When I point that out, you for some reason never respond. > [@](#): > > I know you are going to either shriek about how unfair it is that I dare to cut your giant walls of text into manageable chunks, Two lines from a post is not a “manageable chunk” even if it were true that I post giant walls of text. And, as I’ve said, all you have to do is refer to the post itself. > [@](#): > > Anyways, unless you have something new to say that falls into a category other than “I hate all children everywhere”, “when I was a kid everything was better”, or “I’m being unfairly persecuted by these meanies because they won’t let me express my hatred without commenting on it”, I’m out. This thread has been turned into the curlcoat show long enough, time to let it die. Or, you just say something brilliant like this. Once I’ve backed you far enough into a corner, you suddenly decide that somehow it’s only me posting to a thread and it’s just a “curlcoat show”. Well, since I haven’t said the things you list there, I fully expect you to respond, unless I’m right about you bailing when you are losing. > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > What do you mean, illegal? There’s no law against someone standing in the aisle of a plane while in flight. Individual airlines might have rules about it, I have no idea. This was a British Airways flight and the staff apparently had no problem with it. The seatbelt sign was off the entire time. I’ve never flown on British Airways but I’m pretty sure that the ones that I’ve flown - American, Alaska, Northwest, US Air, Delta, Southwest, United and there must be others - wouldn’t let people hang out in the aisles like that. If nothing else, that person would have been in the way of serving drinks and snacks. > [@](#): > > It lasted for about five, ten minutes or so. Do you want a written transcript, Inspector Columbo? (Edit: That was rhetorical. This is as far as I’m willing to stick my hand into the crazy this morning.) Oh gosh, I’m sorry, I thought I’d just asked a simple question or two. I am so _sorry_ I _bothered_ you. Apparently you just woke up bitchy. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/115 "2012-04-26T11:51:43Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’ve never flown on British Airways but I’m pretty sure that the ones that I’ve flown - American, Alaska, Northwest, US Air, Delta, Southwest, United and there must be others - wouldn’t let people hang out in the aisles like that. If nothing else, that person would have been in the way of serving drinks and snacks. It was a 10-hour flight. There were extremely long periods of time during which the beverage and meal carts were not in the aisle. Seriously, what point are you trying to make here? I understand that you, **curlcoat** , have not personally experienced the same in-flight annoyance that I have. Luckily, my post didn’t start off with “Here’s what happened to **curlcoat** on a recent flight.” > [@curlcoat](#): > > Oh gosh, I’m sorry, I thought I’d just asked a simple question or two. I am so sorry I bothered you. Apparently you just woke up bitchy. Honey, I was _born_ bitchy. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/116 "2012-04-26T12:02:06Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > There is just no excuse for some of the behavior that is considered normal these days, and that starts with any mother that allows her baby to cry thruout a long flight. You should get into standup comedy. This line made me laugh until tears were rolling down my face. “Allows” a baby to cry? Holy fuck. > [@](#): > > I’ve never flown on British Airways but I’m pretty sure that the ones that I’ve flown - American, Alaska, Northwest, US Air, Delta, Southwest, United and there must be others - wouldn’t let people hang out in the aisles like that. I have flown all those airlines many times (except Alaska, just once.) None prohibit standing around in the aisles when the seatbelt sign is off. Perhaps you’re just amazingly unobservant. NO regular air traveller who has an IQ above 70 thinks babies are the worst annoyance on planes. The worst annoyance, by far, are adult morons. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/117 "2012-04-26T12:19:19Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > NO regular air traveller who has an IQ above 70 thinks babies are the worst annoyance on planes. The worst annoyance, by far, are adult morons. Drunk, adult morons in particular. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/118 "2012-04-26T14:04:30Z")
Always love a good **curlcoat** show. Remember, this is the woman who can’t understand why your relatives would want to see the new baby. She thinks they are disgusting, embarrassing, shameful beings that hold no interest for anyone and should be at best hidden away. She does not just dislike babies, she actively hates them. She wants parents and babies to suffer for their sin of existing. Honey, the reason why the world seems so strange to you is that you are crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/119 "2012-04-26T14:32:06Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Always love a good **curlcoat** show You’ve got to feel for the OP though. Imagine if you started a nice little rant about how the world doesn’t suit you, only to find out Curlcoat completely agrees. That’s really got to knock the wheels off your wagon. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229/120 "2012-04-26T16:13:16Z")
Hard facts: Society includes, (always has, always will); Noisy babies, unruly drunks, obnoxiously slow moving old people, ill mannered boors. They get to fly and clutter up your personal space. Invest in some earplugs and meditation courses. Then, get over your once baby, sometimes unintentionally rude, and potentially slow moving elder to be, - self! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infants-fly-free/619229.md?page=7)