# "infinite Jest" anyone **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2002, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768 "2002-10-24T23:52:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2002, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/1 "2002-10-24T23:52:21Z")
Are there any Dopers out there who have read it? I’ve started it about 10 times, but never gotten more then 50 pages in. Is it me or is it the book? And could you please explain what nearly 100 pages of endnotes are doing in a novel?? Is it meant to be a joke or some sort of wry ironic comment on society? Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/2 "2002-10-25T00:08:25Z")
Greatest novel ever. The endnotes are part of the novel, and contain many major plot points and endlessly amusing diversions. Did I mention that it’s the greatest novel ever? ---
**Author:** ![Melon\_Farmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Melon\_Farmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melon_Farmer)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/3 "2002-10-25T00:35:30Z")
Oooch. I’ve read it. I found parts of it brilliant, but overall it was a test of will and endurance to read it than anything else for me. I know there’s a lot of people out there who agree with **minty green** , but I didn’t find the payoff worth the time I put into it. And I really like some of David Foster Wallace’s other work. WSLer, I’ve done the same thing you describe with Pynchon’s Gravity’s Rainbow Must have started it 5 times, haven’t made it to page 100 yet. And yes, the footnotes are part of the novel. He mentioned in an interview I heard with him that he was going ‘cold turkey’ from footnotes, but it looks like he’s already off the wagon. ---
**Author:** ![RadioWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RadioWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioWave)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/4 "2002-10-25T00:35:36Z")
It is, in fact, on the verge of being unreadable. The story structure puts Catch-22 to shame, the imagery makes Thomas Pynchon look like a choir boy and it is, as minty said, one of the greatest novels ever. In my opinion, it was worth reading because it really changed my idea of what a novel should be. If you find it just too hard to read, try The Girl with the Curious hair, a collection of short stories by David Foster Wallace. That would be a good intro to his stuff. Just accept that character will enter unexpectedly and disappear just as quickly. Also remembering where the name comes from might help in understanding the book along with the hint that much of the theme revolves around advertising and consumerism. > [@](#): > > Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow > of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath > borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how > abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at > it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know > not how oft. Where be your gibes now? your > gambols? your songs? your flashes of merriment, > that were wont to set the table on a roar? Not one > now, to mock your own grinning? quite chap-fallen? ---
**Author:** ![RadioWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RadioWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioWave)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/5 "2002-10-25T00:38:58Z")
Dangit. That should be _entertainment_ and consumerism. Also I have to agree with Melon Farmer on Gravity’s Rainbow. My head hits the pillow by page 50 on that one. [ot]Minty’s esteemed opinion notwithstanding, Pynchon’s Mason and Dixon is the greatest book ever[ot] ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/6 "2002-10-25T01:25:02Z")
I have never, repeat, _never_ read a novel with better characters (the dozens of tangential people who flit in and out, each of whom take on a full life of their own that goes far back and far beyond the few pages where we see them) or more richly-developed characters (the handful of central characters, especially Hal, Mario, and Don Gately–the frailest, saddest, and most inspirationally pathetic (in the sens of pathos) 300-lb tough guy in literature). That’s why the novel is so incredible. The plot is fantastic, but there’s not a hell of a lot of it, even though what there is of it is fabulously inventive. The ride is the characters. Just accept that you’re entering the lives of a series of people, all connected in various ways, all in the height of the absurd banalities of everyday existence and looking–like we all do–for the easy way out or the only way out of the easy way. I know little of that makes sense. But that’s because you haven’t read it. _Infinite Jest_ is, bar none, the greatest novel ever written. Have I already mentioned that? ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/7 "2002-10-25T01:58:58Z")
A woman I was trying to date gave it to me to read saying it would be a life-altering experience. My life was indeed altered. I couldn’t finish it and I didn’t end up dating that woman. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/8 "2002-10-25T02:01:12Z")
She’s clearly too good for you. ---
**Author:** ![fizgig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f04885/32.png) [@fizgig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fizgig)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/9 "2002-10-25T03:29:57Z")
I’d say I’m reading it currently, but it’s been on the shelf too long. It is an incredible novel. However, the state of the modern novel seems to be that it’s written to be devoured in a few short sittings. Infinite Jest is meant to be taken in bits. I found it helpful to read less substantial items in between, rather than trying to take IJ all at once. It’s certainly worth the fortitude, and I think after the first 200-300 pages, things will start to come together. You’ll start to see the connections between the characters. The characters really are the meat, and they still resonate with me though I’m less than half way through the book, and haven’t picked it up in months. DFW really is a genius, and it’s a complicated, weighty tome. Not meant as “a little light reading.” Hmm, now I want to pick it up again… ---
**Author:** ![stofsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@stofsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stofsky)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/10 "2002-10-25T12:37:27Z")
Though I won’t go as far as **minty** , I do agree that it’s a work of genius, so much so that I’ve worked through it twice (though I may be a bit of a masochist–I’ve read all of Pynchon’s tomes multiple times as well). My favorite part/idea is a tie between when the boy gets the computer monitor stuck over his head during Eschaton, and the feral hamsters. ---
**Author:** ![Judith\_Prietht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Judith\_Prietht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Judith_Prietht)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/11 "2002-10-25T15:35:11Z")
**minty** is my mouthpiece. It’s my favorite book, and I usually reread it once a year. Someone once complained to me that the problem with _Infinite Jest_ isn’t that it’s too difficult to read, but just that the physical book itself is totally unwieldy. It’s tough to read in bed, unless you like to read Brady-style. At any rate, I get something new out of it everytime I read it, especially in making connections between characters. I identify particularly with Hal, am fascinated by James Incandenza, still don’t know how I feel about Marathe and the Wheelchair Assassins, and really like the assorted Little Buddies at Enfield Tennis Academy (especially Josh Gopnik). Madame Psychosis’s radio bit is absolutely brilliant, too. So, to answer your question, **WSLer** , I don’t know if it’s you or the book. All I can tell you is that it was the most rewarding reading experience I’ve ever had. You may also recognize my user name from Wallace’s _The Broom of the System_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/12 "2002-10-25T15:39:04Z")
I read it about a year and a half ago. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say I “enjoyed” it while I was reading it. It was more like work. But I will say that parts of it have stuck with me and I find myself thinking about it a lot. There are some real priceless moments–the list of drugs that they do at the school which spills over into a footnote and ends with “homemade transdermal MDMA”, for example. When I read about The Ring I was reminded of the killer videotape in the book. But I will say that he is no Pynchon. Gravity’s Rainbow is twice the book that Infinite Jest is. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/13 "2002-10-25T15:56:25Z")
Wallace is Pynchon with a more intuitive grasp of character. Only in _Mason & Dixon_ did I ever feel that Pynchon had created living beings instead of interesting cast members. _Gravity’s Rainbow_ is brilliant; _Infinite Jest_ is a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/14 "2002-10-25T15:58:35Z")
I have read it, the whole thing including the footnotes, and I thought it was merely ok. It wasn’t terrible, it has some very entertaining moments, and contains some memorable and insightful writing. I also think there is no reason whatsoever for it being as long as it is. It could do with some reasonable pruning with no damage at all to the elements of the book that are truly great. I think it’s safe to say that if you’ve tried it and don’t care much for it, just put it down, no harm no foul. The endnotes, I think, are DFW’s wry ironic comments on himself – that he has a habit of going off on a tangent, and he’s taken that and turned it into a stylistic tool in and of itself. I love his endnotes/footnotes and I hope he doesn’t stop, although I can see why he is concerned that it is starting to seem gimmicky. Personally, I’m a much bigger fan of DFW’s essays rather than his fiction. If you like him, but maybe _Infinite Jest_ isn’t doing it for you, you might want to try _A Supposedly Fun Thing I’ll Never Do Again_ which is a collection of his essays. ---
**Author:** ![Melon\_Farmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Melon\_Farmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melon_Farmer)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinite-jest-anyone/133768/15 "2002-10-25T23:27:52Z")
I’ll second delphica’s comments, especially w/r/t A Supposedly Fun Thing I’ll Never Do Again. Thoroughly enjoyed that.