# Infinity war 'seen it' thread (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115 "2018-04-25T19:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/201 "2018-05-01T10:42:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > “Wakanda forever!” Thanks. Wonder why they’d chose such a loaded translation… > [@](#): > > And you really shouldn’t watch dubbed movies. Were there no other options? I normally try to avoid it. But the only theater around here that regularly shows original versions is comparatively small, and I wanted to see this one on the really big screen. I can always watch the original version later. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/202 "2018-05-01T10:53:16Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > WTF is with Vision? He’s basically one of the most powerful Avengers and he has an Infinity Stone. Why the heck was he do useless in every fight? That really bugged me. Yeah, me too. I guess the idea was that he got hit hard early on with a blade through the chest, so never was operating on full power, but then that just raises the question how an alien dude in full emo armor with a ginormous blade-ax-thing could just sneak up on Vision and Scarlet Witch (who in particular should have been looking straight at him)… I know it’s sort of a film convention that characters can’t see what’s not in the frame, but I thought this was sort of ridiculous. Reminds me of those horror movies were characters habitually get sneaked up on by giant, lumbering, growling beasts… > [@Omniscient](#): > > As far as I know Scarlett Witch is just a human with magic powers. How can she fall 20 stories though a glass roof and be unscathed? At least show her creating a force field or something. I think there was at least a brief flash of her red energy in those scenes, but I’m not totally sure. Still, even taking a hit that sends her flying that far should have turned her insides into mush, basically. > [@](#): > > Black Widow is a good character, but she’s a human spy. She can fight Cap or Bucky and survive but not a being like Proxima. For that matter Cap is a roided up dude. He can’t stand up to Thanos who made light work of Hulk. Yeah, it was obvious that they needed something to do for Black Widow—at the power level most of the combatants in this fight were at, she otherwise would have been completely sidelined. I thought the Cap vs. Thanos bit was well done, though—you can see Thanos isn’t really putting effort into it, he almost seems a little disappointed, and then he just punches Cap out. One thing I missed during the film—how did Bruce end up in the Hulkbuster armor? That completely passed me by… ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/203 "2018-05-01T11:37:30Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > One thing I missed during the film—how did Bruce end up in the Hulkbuster armor? That completely passed me by… They don’t say. If it found its way into Wakanda during Black Panther (I never saw it) or some other way, they don’t specify in IW. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/204 "2018-05-01T11:49:29Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m betting Heimdall, Loki and Gamora are properly dead. I can get behind the idea that Heimdall and Loki are dead dead. But everyone who died in the great snappening isn’t dead dead. I don’t think that Gamora is dead dead either, because she was ‘traded’ for one of the stones. The really sad thing is that Marvel does have a path forward where there will end up being no real consequences for the heroes. I will be pretty bitter if that does come to pass. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/205 "2018-05-01T12:15:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t know what credit you think I’m giving him by pointing out that his plan was to only murder 50% of the members of every species in the universe, not 100%, and I’m genuinely baffled that you think I’m somehow arguing that Thanos was _heroic_. Yeah, no shit he’s not a hero. He murdered _half the universe_. You seemed to think he cared about species and things going extinct. My point is he didn’t give a shit about any of that and the only creature in the universe he was sure wouldn’t die was himself. ---
**Author:** ![Serenata67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/serenata67/32/10646_2.png) [@Serenata67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Serenata67)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/206 "2018-05-01T12:41:33Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > They pretty much explicitly state that #3 is what happened when Ego died. Peter is a run of the mill Terran now as are all his living offspring. I thought so, too, but why then did he say, in this movie, that he’s half human? (Something like, “I’m half human, so the half of me that’s dumb…”) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/207 "2018-05-01T12:53:52Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > They don’t say. If it found its way into Wakanda during Black Panther (I never saw it) or some other way, they don’t specify in IW. It didn’t - no mention of the Hulkbuster suit in BP. But remember, the Hulkbuster armor is in orbit, so Tony can call it wherever/whenever he needs it. Since Bruce is the co-creator of the Hulkbuster suit, it’s reasonable that he has the access codes for it, and that he’d be the one using it. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/208 "2018-05-01T13:06:07Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I can get behind the idea that Heimdall and Loki are dead dead. But everyone who died in the great snappening isn’t dead dead. I don’t think that Gamora is dead dead either, because she was ‘traded’ for one of the stones. > > The really sad thing is that Marvel does have a path forward where there will end up being no real consequences for the heroes. I will be pretty bitter if that does come to pass. Back when I read the comics, people killed by the possessor of the Soul Stone went _into_ the stone itself (there were 1000s of people “living” in it) - my bet is that Gamora is there, as well as everyone killed by the snap (yeah, half the universe’s sentients). This theory is bolstered by her appearing to Thanos at the end (as a child). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/209 "2018-05-01T14:52:22Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > WTF is with Vision? He’s basically one of the most powerful Avengers and he has an Infinity Stone. Why the heck was he do useless in every fight? That really bugged me. Actually yeah, that whole fight bugged me too. Vision and Scarlet Witch are the biggest powers in the Avengers, any henchmen that could give both of them trouble would wipe the floor with Cap Falcon and Black Widow. They are both infinity stone powered, they should be a match for Thanos. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/210 "2018-05-01T14:59:38Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > It didn’t - no mention of the Hulkbuster suit in BP. But remember, the Hulkbuster armor is in orbit, so Tony can call it wherever/whenever he needs it. Since Bruce is the co-creator of the Hulkbuster suit, it’s reasonable that he has the access codes for it, and that he’d be the one using it. Or they ma just have been keeping it at Avengers HQ in upstate NY. Remember they stopped there to pick up Rhodey (and tell off Secretary Ross) before heading to Wakanda? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/211 "2018-05-01T15:21:03Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Or they ma just have been keeping it at Avengers HQ in upstate NY. Remember they stopped there to pick up Rhodey (and tell off Secretary Ross) before heading to Wakanda? True. Actually, given the reality of orbital mechanics (hah), there should be a bunch in orbit so there’s always one in range of an unanticipated Hulk event. So they could have had a platoon of them in Wakanda. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/212 "2018-05-01T15:29:10Z")
> [@Serenata67](#): > > I thought so, too, but why then did he say, in this movie, that he’s half human? (Something like, “I’m half human, so the half of me that’s dumb…”) I figure that’s just talking about his parentage, and not about his"power" so to speak. Plus, it was a joke, so you can probably toss it for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/213 "2018-05-01T15:31:06Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > The really sad thing is that Marvel does have a path forward where there will end up being no real consequences for the heroes. I will be pretty bitter if that does come to pass. We got a bunch of guy’s contracts running out. Coincidentally(?) they’re all the guys that lived. No way some of them don’t die by the end of the next movie. I bet Stark, Cap, and possibly Thor die at minimum. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/214 "2018-05-01T15:34:44Z")
> [@Serenata67](#): > > 1. When Ego stopped existing, Peter became pure human somehow and not some Ego-human hybrid. > [@Omniscient](#): > > They pretty much explicitly state that #3 is what happened when Ego died. Peter is a run of the mill Terran now as are all his living offspring. > [@Serenata67](#): > > I thought so, too, but why then did he say, in this movie, that he’s half human? (Something like, “I’m half human, so the half of me that’s dumb…”) Ego explains that his and Quill’s powers come from Ego’s original planet self. He warns that Quill’s power will be lost and that he will become mortal if Ego’s planet self is destroyed. So, Quill is _mortal_ now. He is without godlike powers. But if he were to do Ancenstry .com or 23 and Me, his genetic makeup would still be half Celestial. It’s like if someone had an Italian father and an English mother and the father died early and the mother moved with the baby to Saskatoon… the baby would lose the power to speak Italian but would still _be_ half Italian. > [@shantih](#): > > Peter Quill said for everyone to put on their mean faces right before they arrived at the site of the Asgardian ship, and Mantis did her very best. “Kick names, take ass!” ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/215 "2018-05-01T15:38:14Z")
Keep in mind this “he doesn’t kill unique individuals” thing is COMPLETELY speculative. I personally don’t believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/216 "2018-05-01T15:40:44Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Yeah, me too. I guess the idea was that he got hit hard early on with a blade through the chest, so never was operating on full power, but then that just raises the question how an alien dude in full emo armor with a ginormous blade-ax-thing could just sneak up on Vision and Scarlet Witch (who in particular should have been looking straight at him)… I know it’s sort of a film convention that characters can’t see what’s not in the frame, but I thought this was sort of ridiculous. Reminds me of those horror movies were characters habitually get sneaked up on by giant, lumbering, growling beasts… The best rationale I can come up with is that the Glaive he was stabbed with had special powers that neutralized him. But the movie didn’t provide any background on that. > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > The really sad thing is that Marvel does have a path forward where there will end up being no real consequences for the heroes. I will be pretty bitter if that does come to pass. Yeah, will be interesting to see if they try and pull off a comic style alternate reality/timeline in the movies. Part of me thinks they’ll lose the casual fan if they try that. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/217 "2018-05-01T15:52:01Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The best rationale I can come up with is that the Glaive he was stabbed with had special powers that neutralized him. But the movie didn’t provide any background on that. Vision basically said as much and Wanda said she thought that was impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/218 "2018-05-01T16:03:16Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Vision basically said as much and Wanda said she thought that was impossible. I don’t remember that line. Another thing I liked. They never had Tony and Cap/Bucky together. Would have been lame to totally whitewash the end of Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/219 "2018-05-01T16:10:09Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I don’t remember that line. After he got stabbed and Wanda temporarily got them away, he said “I can’t phase.” ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115/220 "2018-05-01T16:28:03Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I don’t remember that line. > > Another thing I liked. They never had Tony and Cap/Bucky together. Would have been lame to totally whitewash the end of Civil War. I mean, I don’t want them to instantly be okay, but there’s no way either of them are dying without resolving that storyline. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/infinity-war-seen-it-thread-spoilers/813115.md?page=12)