# Inflatable child sex dolls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2006, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907 "2006-09-24T00:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/1 "2006-09-24T00:42:31Z")
I don’t know what to rhink about [sex dolls for pedophiles](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0921062doll1.html?link=rssfeed) except… ewwwwww!!! I suppose it might even be a good thing if a pedophile could psychologically substitute it for a real child. FYI: link goes to _Smoking Gun_ arrest documents, not a porn merchandising site. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/2 "2006-09-24T00:45:18Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] I suppose it might even be a good thing if a pedophile could psychologically substitute it for a real child. [/QUOTE] I doubt someone who would otherwise have raped a child would refrain from doing so due to access to a child sex doll. But hey, I’d love to be proven wrong. And then I’d support the handing out of child sex dolls to all convicted child molesters. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/3 "2006-09-24T00:46:18Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] I doubt someone who would otherwise have raped a child would refrain from doing so due to access to a child sex doll. But hey, I’d love to be proven wrong. And then I’d support the handing out of child sex dolls to all convicted child molesters. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you could test it by seeing if serial rapists would be cured by given one of those Real Dolls? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/4 "2006-09-24T01:19:03Z")
Damn, there was a book that had this kind of thing as a sub-plot, but I can’t for the life of me remember it now. BRB as soon as I remember. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/5 "2006-09-24T01:26:12Z")
Got it: [Haunted by Chuck Palahniuk](http://www.amazon.com/Haunted-Novel-Chuck-Palahniuk/dp/1400032822/sr=8-1/qid=1159060914/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-5539647-9027253?ie=UTF8&s=books) ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/6 "2006-09-24T01:26:25Z")
You’re thinkinf of _Haunted_ by Chuck Palahniuk. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/7 "2006-09-24T04:01:30Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] I doubt someone who would otherwise have raped a child would refrain from doing so due to access to a child sex doll. But hey, I’d love to be proven wrong. And then I’d support the handing out of child sex dolls to all convicted child molesters. [/QUOTE] Well, according to the link in the OP the guy who owned the dolls was part of a kiddy porn ring, so that’s a sign that it probably doesn’t do any good at keeping them away from real kids. I really don’t see helping them feed their fantasies as something that’ll keep them from hurting children. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/8 "2006-09-24T08:35:18Z")
Apparently a big part of[Japanese porn](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan) is about [schoolgirls](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burusera). So perhaps dolls of prepubescent girls (or at least dolls dressed like those) come from Japan. One cultures acceptable fringe is another cultures deep taboo… ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@Leah\_M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leah_M)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/9 "2006-09-24T09:50:10Z")
I personally don’t see that a normal, heterosexual man would be deterred from having sex with a real woman by the use of a sex doll, so I wouldn’t think that it would work that way for a pedophile, either. But that may be an oversimplification on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/10 "2006-09-24T11:39:30Z")
You know what they have in Denmark? Animal brothels. Apparently since beastility isn’t against the law, people from all over the world flock to Denmark to ride the happy horse or bang a chicken or whatever it is they do. Animal brothels. That’s gonna do wonders for the bacon exports. ---
**Author:** ![Hogwash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e57/32.png) [@Hogwash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hogwash)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/11 "2006-09-24T11:46:17Z")
Won’t someone PLEASE think of the children -sized sex dolls! ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/12 "2006-09-24T11:59:22Z")
[QUOTE=Maastricht] Apparently a big part of[Japanese porn](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan) is about [schoolgirls](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burusera). So perhaps dolls of prepubescent girls (or at least dolls dressed like those) come from Japan. One cultures acceptable fringe is another cultures deep taboo… [/QUOTE] Schoolgirls != prepubescent girls. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/13 "2006-09-24T15:08:50Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] Schoolgirls != prepubescent girls. [/QUOTE] Yeah. A lot of those are described as being really young, but then drawn as being post-pubescent. It seems that what’s being fetishized is innocence or something like that, not children. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/14 "2006-09-24T15:25:23Z")
[QUOTE=Rune] You know what they have in Denmark? Animal brothels. Apparently since beastility isn’t against the law, people from all over the world flock to Denmark to ride the happy horse or bang a chicken or whatever it is they do. Animal brothels. That’s gonna do wonders for the bacon exports. [/QUOTE] Jeez did you have to, I mean really HAVE to. I like(d) roast chicken and bacon…I’ll never look at these foodstuffs in the same light again :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/15 "2006-09-24T18:21:18Z")
[QUOTE=Rune] You know what they have in Denmark? Animal brothels. Apparently since beastility isn’t against the law, people from all over the world flock to Denmark to ride the happy horse or bang a chicken or whatever it is they do. Animal brothels. That’s gonna do wonders for the bacon exports. [/QUOTE] You know, having never heard of this, I googled some, being skeptical and all. It seems that there at least is a rumor going around in Danish an Norwegian newspapers, but I wouldn’t go so far as calling them brothels. More like farmers who discretely let people on certain Internet fora know that there might be fun to be had in their barns for a modest fee. Remember, there are a lot of things mostof us find squicky, but having these strange feelings is in itself not illegal. The laws are in place to protect actual minors. Drawings of child molestation is not illegal, nor is drressing up an underdeveloped 18+ in Catholic school gear and having her pose as 13. I’m all for locking up and throwing away the key for actual child molestors, and while beastiality might not be illegal in some places, I’m sure an animal can’t give consent, according to the true meaning of the word. Maybe these guys should spend a some time with a male dolphin in his tank. Google “dolphin rape” if you don’t believe me. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/16 "2006-09-24T18:23:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Perhaps you could test it by seeing if serial rapists would be cured by given one of those Real Dolls? > [@Leah M](#): > > I personally don’t see that a normal, heterosexual man would be deterred from having sex with a real woman by the use of a sex doll, so I wouldn’t think that it would work that way for a pedophile, either. I don’t think that these are necessarily comparable with pedophiles. Most pedophiles don’t _want_ to hurt the children they prey on. They often convince themselves that their victims have consented and are willing participants. Some pedophiles recognize that this simply isn’t true, and are able to refrain from ever acting on their impulses. For those pedophiles, I could see this as being a valuable release. This doesn’t compare well to normal heterosexuality, in which there’s no reason _not_ to engage in it. There aren’t any guys out there valiantly trying to resist their urge to have sex with women. Rape is even further out, as the entire point of rape is to hurt and humiliate the victim. Someone who wants to be a rapist isn’t going to be interested in sublimating that urge in a non-harmful way. Of course, it’s also possible that indulging in their fantasy with a doll will make it easier for a pedophile to rationalize indulging in it with a real kid. I’m no psychologist, so I don’t know what the more likely out come is. I do think that, for that proportion of pedophiles who are able to control themselves and never hurt a child, anything that can help keep them honest is a good thing. If this sort of doll helps, then their use should be encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/17 "2006-09-24T20:19:29Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] Remember, there are a lot of things mostof us find squicky, but having these strange feelings is in itself not illegal. The laws are in place to protect actual minors. Drawings of child molestation is not illegal, nor is drressing up an underdeveloped 18+ in Catholic school gear and having her pose as 13. [/QUOTE] I had thought that representations of children in which “such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct” was illegal according to the child pornography prevention act of 1996, introduced by Senator Hatch. It doesn’t have to be a minor, it just has to look like a minor. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/18 "2006-09-24T20:51:23Z")
[QUOTE=Hogwash] Won’t someone PLEASE think of the children [/QUOTE] Actually, I think I might appreciate it if some people would just stop thinking about the children. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/19 "2006-09-24T22:09:32Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door] the child pornography prevention act of 1996, introduced by Senator Hatch. [/QUOTE] Legislation doesn’t always carry from one country to another. When it comes to child pornography, the international concensus is strong, though. However: > [@](#): > > Pseudo-Photographs > None of the US federal or state laws deal with so called pseudo-photographs. It is not illegal to create or possess pornographic images of children by means of computers. Child Pornography Prevention Act 1995 (HR n.a., section 1237) sponsored by Sen. Hatch (R-UT), Abraham (R-MI), Grassley (R-IA), and Thurmond (R-SC) was introduced to criminalize material that depicts children engaging in sexually-explicit conduct whether or not the material was produced with children or entirely without computer. The Bill is in the judiciary committee (September 1995). > > Pseudo-photographs will be subject to the Miller obscenity test and other federal laws dealing with obscenity but not child pornography. It will be up to the defendant to prove that the creation of the pictures did not involve minors. IOW, if the defendant can prove that a minor was not involved, the DA has no case. [Cite.](http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/uscases.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907/20 "2006-09-25T01:34:31Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door] I had thought that representations of children in which “such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct” was illegal according to the child pornography prevention act of 1996, introduced by Senator Hatch. It doesn’t have to be a minor, it just has to look like a minor. [/QUOTE] IANAL, but (I’ve always wanted to say that): Most Web sites I’ve seen with this kind of photo also have clear statements that the models are 18+, often as part of the hype: “Just turned 18!” “Barely Legal!” The producer/seller is marketing to customers who want to see young-looking but legal models. I believe that there has to be some sort of intent to fool the viewer into thinking the images are actually of minors before it becomes criminal. In that case, the producer/seller of the images is marketing directly to people looking for illegal materials. It’s similar to the way a law enforcement agency uses an 18+ person to pose as a minor in chat rooms, and then busts the guy who tries to meet up with someone he thinks is a 14-year-old. If the 18+ agent said, “Hey, I’m 18 but let’s get together and pretend that I’m 14,” and the suspect agrees, there’s no crime: two consenting adults have agreed to a little roleplaying. So by indicating clearly that the models are actually 18-year-olds dressed up like high school girls, everybody is in the clear. There’s no law that says an adult can’t dress up in “teenage” clothing, and no law that says I can’t look at it. But if somebody were to attempt to pass off the exact same photos as pictures of actual minors, _then_ it would be a crime. As another example, there’s no law that says I can’t sell my friend a bag of sweet basil from my herb garden. But it’s all sorts of illegal if I sell my friend a bag of sweet basil while telling him it’s a bag of marijuana. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inflatable-child-sex-dolls/373907.md?page=2)