# Initial cities: L.A. and ...? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 15, 2000, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524 "2000-04-15T15:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mipsman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mipsman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipsman)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2000, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/41 "2000-04-16T18:45:00Z")
Doobieous, the Portiuncula chapel in the Basilica of Our Lady of Angels in Assisi, Italy is the cradle of the Franciscan Order. The Portola expedition camped on the LA River (which they called the Porciuncula) on August 2, 1769. The day before was the Feast Day of Nuestra Senora do los Angeles de Porciuncula. ---
**Author:** ![Yoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cdc98d/32.png) [@Yoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yoop)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2000, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/42 "2000-04-16T21:58:00Z")
PA - Prince Albert, Saskatchewan. (Yeah, I know, it was on the tips of all your tongues…) ---
**Author:** ![pro\_nobis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@pro\_nobis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pro_nobis)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2000, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/43 "2000-04-16T22:10:00Z")
San Francisco is referred to as the Bay Area. I’m originally from Tampa and everyone there calls it the Bay Area too. I have a friend from Green Bay who refers to that area as “the Bay Area.” (nothing to do with the OP, but please forgive me) ---
**Author:** ![Beruang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@Beruang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beruang)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/44 "2000-04-17T13:48:00Z")
Satan lives in New York? I should have suspected as much – the place has always been a hello hole… 😉 And I’d be more than happy to trade places with any disaffected Angelinos. Heaven on Earth, Southern California is. * * * “The dawn of a new era is felt and not measured.” Walter Lord ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/45 "2000-04-17T13:51:00Z")
My hometown of Grand Junction, CO is GJ to some. * * * Wrong thinking is punished, right thinking is just as swiftly rewarded. You’ll find it an effective combination. ---
**Author:** ![Kepi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kepi/32/7251_2.png) [@Kepi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/46 "2000-04-17T14:22:00Z")
While you don’t hear it as much now as you would have 40 or 50 years ago, Dallas is sometimes referred to as Big D. Even had a song in Broadway musical (_Most Happy_ Fella) written about it. ::singing:: You’re from Big D, my oh yes! Big-D, little-a, double-l, a-s! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/47 "2000-04-17T20:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by pro nobis: > \*\*San Francisco is referred to as the Bay Area. I’m originally from Tampa and everyone there calls it the Bay Area too. I have a friend from Green Bay who refers to that area as “the Bay Area.” > > (nothing to do with the OP, but please forgive me)\*\* I’ll forgive you provided the next time you post “San Francisco is referred to as the Bay Area” you provide a warning so I don’t inhale my lunch down the wrong tube! The San Francisco **AREA** is called the Bay Area, thus the **Bay Area** Rapid Transit (BART) serves more than just San Francisco. San Francisco itself is variously referred to as: (1) The City, (2) SF, (3) San Fran (not recommended nomenclature to use around the locals) (4) Frisco (not recommended nomenclature to use around the locals) ---
**Author:** ![cher3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cher3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cher3)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/48 "2000-04-17T20:49:00Z")
U.C. San Diego is pretty much always called “UCSD.” Probably because there is also a San Diego State University and a University of San Diego. Tijuana is frequently called TJ around here, too. ---
**Author:** ![Sledman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Sledman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sledman)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/49 "2000-04-17T21:24:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Milossarian: > \*\*2sense said > > While obviously further north, the Upper Peninsula is called “the Upper Peninsula” or “U.P.” by most state residents. > > And FYI, the term for somebody from up there is spelled “Yooper.” > > The “Northern Michigan/Upper Peninsula” thing could easily be a Great Debate, but fortunately, not enough people here or elsewhere care. > > \*\* I actually believe UP is more standard than a lot of the other spoken abbreviations that have been thrown out. At least it is used in a wider area. Wisconsinites also call it the UP. I doubt Canadiens do but maybe??? Anyway it should be a part of Wisconsin and if there was realistically a financial advantage to having it we would take it. As it is the UP is a nice place to visit and better when it is on the neighboring state’s tax rolls. Also wouldn’t people from the Lower Penninsula (LP???) be correctly identified as Fudgies or Trolls. All in the interest of being able to correctly identify you Michiganders that is?? ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/50 "2000-04-17T22:29:00Z")
Never claimed “The U.P.” wasn’t a standard term for that area up above me; it’s just not a city. Everybody in the Lower Peninsula is a troll. (We live below the bridge. HA! Get it?) Locals where I live in the northern Lower, however, aren’t fudgies. People who come up from southern Michigan to where I live, or further north into the U.P., are fudgies. The purchase of fudge is not a requirement for this term; driving 15 miles below the speed limit to gawk at Lake Michigan like you’ve never seen it before may be. * * * Give me immortality, or give me death! ---
**Author:** ![J\_String](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@J\_String](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J_String)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/51 "2000-04-17T22:35:00Z")
quote: “We have two women in our office from Kansas City and they alway refer to it as such. I have never heard any one say KC.” I’ve never heard anyone from Kansas City call it KC (kay-see) either. It seems to be a pronunciation used by other midwesterners to refer to the city. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2000, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524/52 "2000-04-17T23:38:00Z")
[QUOTE] Originally posted by Cartooniverse: Yeah, well I grew up in Philly, and when you went into the Center City area, it was referred to as The City. I don’t think it is pretention, I think it is convention :)/QUOTE] I went to college in Philly. As a New Yorker, I, along with all of the other New Yorkers, referred to The City as The City (i.e. New York). The Philadelphians, however, had this strange idea that when they said The City, they were referring to Philadelphia. Their incorrect nomenclature caused no end of confusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/initial-cities-l-a-and/10524.md?page=2)