# Inmate tatoos name of murder victim (who was his cousin) into forehead of her killer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495 "2006-10-30T22:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/1 "2006-10-30T22:22:18Z")
Sometimes life is very, very strange: [http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/30/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/30/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html) Basically, Anthony Ray Stockelman abducted, molested, and murdered a fourth grade girl named Katlyn “Katie” Collman. He was put into a prison where the girl’s cousin, Jared Harris, is doing time for armed burgulary. Jared forcibly tatooed Anthony Ray’s forehead with “KATIE’S REVENGE” in retaliation for what the killer did. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/2 "2006-10-30T22:31:58Z")
Makes me feel a little warm on the inside. (Though, of course, I recognize the fact that it has to have repercussions) ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/3 "2006-10-30T22:32:41Z")
It’s not that I think prison abuse isn’t a big deal, but you really can’t allow a prison inmate access to another prison inmate directly responsible for killing the first inmate’s family member. That’s just poor planning. I must say that if I were locked up with someone who had brutally assaulted and killed a relative of mine, I might be inclined to shiv them in their sleep. In my opinion, this guy got off pretty easy. ---
**Author:** ![Booker57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Booker57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Booker57)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/4 "2006-10-30T23:10:06Z")
I have never had a tatoo. How much time does it take to do? A shiv to the ribs would have been quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/5 "2006-10-30T23:19:57Z")
[QUOTE=Booker57] I have never had a tatoo. How much time does it take to do? A shiv to the ribs would have been quicker. [/QUOTE] Yes, but would have resulted in a murder charge. This gets you maybe a little more time and maybe another parole cycle. And given how society feels about people who molest and kill children, may not even get you that. Sometimes you have to wonder - poor planning or someone figuring life in prison wasn’t enough? ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/6 "2006-10-30T23:27:32Z")
[QUOTE=Booker57] I have never had a tatoo. How much time does it take to do? [/QUOTE] What was done to the guy’s forehead probably took 20 minutes tops. Perhaps a lot less. It’s not art, even by scratcher standards. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/7 "2006-10-30T23:45:29Z")
As a general principle, I object to extra-judicial punishments, particularly those meted out against one prisoner by another prisoner in the same correctional facility. But, damn, it’s hard for me not to cheer on the guy handing out the retaliatory ink. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/8 "2006-10-30T23:49:21Z")
Sounds like something on “Oz”. ---
**Author:** ![Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mirror_Image_egamI_rorriM)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/9 "2006-10-31T00:39:36Z")
Makes me think of the forehead tattoos on criminals in “Snow Crash.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/10 "2006-10-31T00:46:11Z")
[QUOTE=malkavia] It’s not that I think prison abuse isn’t a big deal, but you really can’t allow a prison inmate access to another prison inmate directly responsible for killing the first inmate’s family member. That’s just poor planning. [/QUOTE] The article isn’t very long and it’s pretty clear on that point. They didn’t know he was Katie’s cousin and the guy who made the tattoo didn’t even know Katie all that well. Do you really think that they can keep track of what prisoners have great grand parents in common with victims of other prisoners? Please. One does have to appreciate the fact that he correctly included the apostrophe. Not bad for a convicted robber. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/11 "2006-10-31T01:56:09Z")
That’s pretty funny. I don’t think what Harris did should be legal by any stretch of the imagination, but if I was in charge of meting out punishment in this particular case I’d be inclined to assign him, say, an extra shift in the kitchen without pay. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/12 "2006-10-31T02:32:38Z")
For the curious, here’s a pic: [http://www.theindychannel.com/2006/0928/9954539\_240X180.jpg](http://www.theindychannel.com/2006/0928/9954539_240X180.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![spingears](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@spingears](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spingears)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/13 "2006-10-31T02:36:17Z")
[QUOTE=Annie-Xmas] Sometimes life is very, very strange: [http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/30/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/30/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html) Basically, Anthony Ray Stockelman abducted, molested, and murdered a fourth grade girl named Katlyn “Katie” Collman. He was put into a prison where the girl’s cousin, Jared Harris, is doing time for armed burgulary. Jared forcibly tatooed Anthony Ray’s forehead with “KATIE’S REVENGE” in retaliation for what the killer did. [/QUOTE] The story is that even hardened criminal still have a soft spot for little children, girls in particular and take a very dim view of anyone who does them violence. Doesn’t take much to encourage them to make an example of them. A daily reminder of their stupidy or lack of common sense. In other words violence begets violence and you reap what you sow. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/14 "2006-10-31T02:47:06Z")
[QUOTE=BoBettie] For the curious, here’s a pic: [http://www.theindychannel.com/2006/0928/9954539\_240X180.jpg](http://www.theindychannel.com/2006/0928/9954539_240X180.jpg) [/QUOTE] He should have tattooed it in mirror-writing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/15 "2006-10-31T02:49:38Z")
For those of you who think this story is warm, funny, or poetic justice: you need to examine your concepts of humanity, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Coin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Coin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/16 "2006-10-31T03:02:53Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] For those of you who think this story is warm, funny, or poetic justice: you need to examine your concepts of humanity, IMHO. [/QUOTE] I don`t see why. He didn`t cripple or rape the guy…he just made sure that everyone will know what he did, which honestly doesn`t seem like that bad an idea to me. I don`t find it at all warm or funny, and I would even support some punishment for the tattooer. But it doesn`t seem even a little inhumane to me. It seems like an entirely appropriate punishment for a criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/17 "2006-10-31T03:05:05Z")
[QUOTE=Coin] But it doesn`t seem even a little inhumane to me. It seems like an entirely appropriate punishment for a criminal. [/QUOTE] So you would be OK with it if our courts were able to order branding as part of a sentence? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/18 "2006-10-31T03:07:52Z")
[QUOTE=Coin] I don`t see why. [/quote] Read some decent treatises on ethics, morality, religion, and sociology. > [@](#): > > He didn`t cripple or rape the guy He maimed the guy. That’s something we (meaning society) considers to be a bad thing. > [@](#): > > …he just made sure that everyone will know what he did, which honestly doesn`t seem like that bad an idea to me. There are court records and offenders’ registries to accomplish that aim. > [@](#): > > I don`t find it at all warm or funny, and I would even support some punishment for the tattooer. How decent of you. > [@](#): > > But it doesn`t seem even a little inhumane to me. It seems like an entirely appropriate punishment for a criminal. Our law does not permit the maiming of someone for a punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/19 "2006-10-31T03:09:45Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] For those of you who think this story is warm, funny, or poetic justice: you need to examine your concepts of humanity, IMHO. [/QUOTE] Agreed. What sort of society lets inmates become judge and jury? The prison screwed up. ---
**Author:** ![cerberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cerberus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cerberus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495/20 "2006-10-31T03:30:29Z")
A good finish would have been leaving the offender’s detached genitals in his mouth. A tatoo is easy retribution, given the crime. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/inmate-tatoos-name-of-murder-victim-who-was-his-cousin-into-forehead-of-her-killer/378495.md?page=2)