# Innocent man dies in Gitmo, and it's Obama's fault **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 12, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450 "2012-09-12T00:32:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/21 "2012-09-12T03:08:17Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I don’t think that is entirely fair, but I do think everyone in the country should email this post to the Senators & Representatives. > > You can find their email addresses [here](http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm) and [here.](http://www.house.gov/representatives/) I concur with this. This whole situation is mostly do to with the (incorrect) perceptions of normal Americans re: Guantanamo and the detainees there. At worst, this gentleman, who apparently was deemed by everyone who matters to no longer be a threat, or ever a threat, but had no country to release him to (on our terms), should have not been locked up at Guantanamo with people who were deemed a threat. Move him out. He did not belong there. It was a mistake. Correct it. Of course, the perception of doing something other than holding forever or releasing a “terrorist” to another “safe” country kept Adnan Farham Abdul Latif in legal limbo until it was too much. I don’t fault the US with detaining him (it was a mistake), I fault the US with being impotent on an Executive, Judicial, and Congressional level in being able to deal with that mistake in a timely manner. Not enough people really care. Today maybe, but not really. So yea, let your representative know you care. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/22 "2012-09-12T03:21:33Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > No, they did not fight Obama over something like this, because Obama never tried something like this. So you’re arguing he tried something more conservative than this and they fought him over that. So that implies… > [@](#): > > Senator Feingold even wrote a letter to Obama explicitly stating that the failure to address the key problems with Gitmo is why he refused to fund its relocation to the continental US. And everybody else refused to fund the relocation because they didn’t want suspected terrorists on U.S. soil (nevermind how nonsensical it was). > [@Grumman](#): > > So what you’re saying is that his enemies would […] accusing him of being soft on terrorists for declaring that a non-terrorist should be freed Any day of the week. > [@](#): > > and of being un-American for upholding the US Constitution Shit yes. As noted, they already did this the last time. It’s true that releasing an individual is different from changing the way these situations are handled. He doesn’t need Congressional authorization to free an individual and the administration has freed most of them. But if you’re asking if Congress would have a fit over releasing or relocating anyone if they found it politically convenient to have a fit, the only possible answer is “of course they would.” No, there’s no realistic way Obama could release them all (or relocate them to the U.S.) in the situation you propose. Republicans and Democrats would both oppose it. It’s a shitty situation and you’re correct about how it came about - a semi-improvised policy and a cavalier attitude toward torturing people - but that doesn’t make it any easier for Obama to undo it because you can’t unring the bell and he’s the one responsible for handling the situation now. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/23 "2012-09-12T03:22:42Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > So what you’re saying is that his enemies would attack him with one arm tied behind their backs, accusing him of being soft on terrorists for declaring that a non-terrorist should be freed (and that actual terrorists should not be in Gitmo but scattered across bomb craters) and of being un-American for upholding the US Constitution, and Obama’s too weak to stand up to even that? No, what I’m saying is his political opponents would treat him like Ned Beatty in _Deliverance_, and his supporters would abandon him while he squeals like a pig. ---
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/24 "2012-09-12T03:54:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Can you quote the part of the GC that says you can shoot a captured prisoner? These guys aren’t POWs, as they aren’t part of a uniformed, state controlled military. The GC says they need to have a hearing to determine their status, and they must be treated humanly in the interim. > > Many of these people just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some were turned in by enemy tribes and had no part in any hostilities. It is not so black and white as you seem to think. While IANAL, and my understanding of the issues comes mainly from Hollywood, I think the following Wikipedia cite may have some relevance: > **[Hostages Trial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostages_Trial)** > > The United States of America v. Wilhelm List, et al., commonly known as the Hostages Trial, was the seventh of the twelve "Subsequent Nuremberg trials" for war crimes and crimes against humanity after the end of World War II between 1947 and 1948. The accused were 12 Wehrmacht generals of the Balkan Campaign charged with ordering the hostage-taking of civilians, wanton shootings of these hostages, the reprisal killings of civilians, and the execution without trial of captured "partisans" (both re... ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/25 "2012-09-12T05:24:24Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > While IANAL, and my understanding of the issues comes mainly from Hollywood, I think the following Wikipedia cite may have some relevance: > > [Hostages Trial - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostages_Trial) Since the events of your wiki link took place in the 1940’s, there has been a legion of debate and law around captured combatants treatment. Bluntly, Everyone gets (at least) Geneva Convention Article 3 protections (the bold part applies to summary execution): > [@](#): > > In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: > > (1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed ’ hors de combat ’ by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. > > To this end, **the following acts are and shall remain prohibited** at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: > > (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; > > (b) taking of hostages; > > (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; > > (d) **the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court** , affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. > > (2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for. > > An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict. > The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention. > The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict. Or basically, as **John Mace** states, they must be treated humanely. Shooting upon capture is not humane treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/26 "2012-09-12T12:07:55Z")
They’re not POWs in the normal sense, because there is no enemy government to parlay with, end hostilities, and exchange prisoners with. Also, the above quote doesn’t apply because the conflict was international in nature. But the Geneva Convetion should still apply. By letter, it might not, but we shouldn’t let the enemy drag us down to their level. ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/27 "2012-09-12T21:51:18Z")
> [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > While IANAL, and my understanding of the issues comes mainly from Hollywood … You should stop right there. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/28 "2012-09-12T23:32:56Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No, there’s no realistic way Obama could release them all (or relocate them to the U.S.) in the situation you propose. Bullshit. I’m tired of the apologists for Obama and his horrible record on human rights. He’s barely a step above Bush, and no amount of crying “he’s doing the best he can” or “Congress won’t let him” won’t change that. If he wanted to, he could create, or have created, a system of due process for the trial of the detainees. But he didn’t want to. Why? Because of fucking politics. I’m sick and tired of President Spineless getting a pass for allowing this kind of shit to continue. And just so you know, I’m not pissed at you at all. I’m pissed at Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/29 "2012-09-13T02:13:58Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > In fairness, he can’t do that in an election year. It would be political suicide. Even in a second term, the fallout would render him impotent for all practical purposes. Depending on how the House elections turn out, it might even get him impeached. This strikes me as a huge overreaction to what might happen if Obama did as suggested, for reasons others have pointed out. But I want to ask how this might lead to impeachment. What would the charges be? > [@](#): > > …and this election is going to be close…a lot closer than most of the political pundits on this board think. Must…resist…urge…to…hijack…and…ask…why…you…believe…this… 🙂 Because the only movement I’m seeing in the polls is in Obama’s favor, and he has a good lead in the electoral college right now. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/30 "2012-09-13T03:44:00Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Must…resist…urge…to…hijack…and…ask…why…you…believe…this… 🙂 Because the only movement I’m seeing in the polls is in Obama’s favor, and he has a good lead in the electoral college right now. I have some bad news for you. Obama and Romney are tied 0-0 in the electoral college. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/31 "2012-09-13T03:50:44Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I have some bad news for you. Obama and Romney are tied 0-0 in the electoral college. :), I guess. Obama is leading quite comfortably in most state-by-state polls I’ve seen, and Romney as of yet hasn’t made much headway. Is that better? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/32 "2012-09-13T04:17:28Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > But I want to ask how this might lead to impeachment. What would the charges be? Pretty much anything a pissed off House wanted them to be. “High Crimes and Misdemeanors” is full of wiggle room. Definitely not saying I’d encourage such a course, or even think it could stick on a trial in the Senate, but it is possible. The OP severely underestimates how much his proposal would piss off most of the country for one reason or another. Laymen have very little patience for legal argument. Particularly those that rely on fairly sophisticated constitutional analysis…such as the plight of those presently incarcerated at Gitmo. I do not know, but I strongly suspect a majority of the country believes that those at Gitmo are dangerous terrorists, largely because their government has told them this is so. The majority of voters aren’t going to react well to such people being released. Disclaimer: I am both highly cynical and more than a little pragmatic here. Winning politics is not about what is right, it is about what is effective at drawing votes. ---
**Author:** ![Polar\_Iceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Polar\_Iceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polar_Iceman)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/33 "2012-09-13T05:32:57Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > You should stop right there. Well, no. The whole point of these discussions is to inform the ignorant. At least I admit my ignorance and am willing to listen to argument. Seems that some of the contributors here are willing to sneer at the ignorant, but are unwilling to inform. In relation to the issue at hand, nobody has yet addressed the issue of “francs-tireurs”, and how it relates. Also the following link seems to have some relevance: > **[Unlawful combatant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatants)** > > An unlawful combatant, illegal combatant, or unprivileged combatant/belligerent is a person who directly engages in armed conflict and is considered a terrorist and therefore is deemed not to be a lawful combatant protected by the Geneva Conventions. > The International Committee of the Red Cross points out that the terms "unlawful combatant", "illegal combatant" or "unprivileged combatant/belligerent" are not defined in any international agreements. While the concept of an unlawful com The Gene... ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/34 "2012-09-13T05:35:56Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Laymen have very little patience for legal argument. Particularly those that rely on fairly sophisticated constitutional analysis…such as the plight of those presently incarcerated at Gitmo. “Fairly sophisticated”? What’s so difficult about “innocent until proven guilty”? > [@Polar\_Iceman](#): > > In relation to the issue at hand, nobody has yet addressed the issue of “francs-tireurs”, and how it relates. It doesn’t. A lot of the people who ended in Gitmo were simply unlucky bastards who were rounded up and sold to the United States as so-called terrorists. They were not combatants, lawful or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/35 "2012-09-13T15:57:55Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > “Fairly sophisticated”? What’s so difficult about “innocent until proven guilty”? He wasn’t being held because he committed a crime, so no need to meet that standard. > [@](#): > > …A lot of the people who ended in Gitmo were simply unlucky bastards who were rounded up and sold to the United States as so-called terrorists. They were not combatants, lawful or otherwise. Adnan Latif was not being held for taking part in the 9/11 attacks or being apart of al qaeda, he was held for being a low-level soldier for the Taliban. The Taliban harbored terrorists in Afghanistan and we went to war with them for that reason. This is the US Govt’s assertion, and if true, it’s about as close to a lawful combatant as you can be. Bush nitpicked the lawful part because they didn’t follow the Geneva Conventions to a T. (For the record, Adnan Latif has always claimed he was just there seeking medical treatment for a prior head injury which would not make him a combatant). Using the Govt’s own version of the facts that he was a legit combatant, the US vs. Afghanistan war ended about a decade ago and Adnan Latif had been cleared for release since 2004. However, he never left Guantanamo because he was a Yemeni citizen and Bush/Obama halted releases to Yemen (it’s an unstable country), even in light of a 2010 Judge’s order that he be released anyways (Obama appealed the ruling and won). This was the breakdown that is tragic. But if he’s not a threat, then let him go there, that’s his country. He just wasn’t a threat and any chance of recidivism for _him_ was so minutely low, even in Yemen, to be perfectly acceptable by anyone’s standard. He should have been released to Yemen a long time ago with our sincerest apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/36 "2012-09-14T03:13:41Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Using the Govt’s own version of the facts that he was a legit combatant, the US vs. Afghanistan war ended about a decade ago and Adnan Latif had been cleared for release since 2004. The reason he should have been cleared for release is not merely because he’s a prisoner of war from a war that has ended - it’s because there is no credible evidence that he was an enemy combatant. The government knew that there was no evidence that he’d met his so-called recruiter, and no evidence that he had been trained to fight against America, and definitely no evidence that he had ever fired a bullet at Americans. _You_ could have been locked up as a prisoner of war for the rest of your life on those grounds - sure, you’ve never met Osama Bin Laden, you might not be trained as a soldier and you’ve never shot at US soldiers, but why let a little thing like _facts_ get in the way of keeping an innocent man locked up! ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/37 "2012-09-14T05:07:13Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > WHY are these Gitmo detainees still alive?? > > Blindfold them , gag them, shoot them, and be done with it. Because the United State is not a totalitarian dictatorship like Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany but a constitutional republic as our Founding Fathers intended. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/38 "2012-09-14T11:08:07Z")
Bush really screwed the pooch on the detainee issue. All captured enemy should have just been called POWs and that should have been the end of it. The fact that they are POWs does not mean they can’t be tried for war crimes later. But at least it would have put a stop to the “why haven’t they had trials?” chorus. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/39 "2012-09-14T17:23:07Z")
The facts are debatable, or at least not conceded by the Government. Surely people like me will never honestly know them. I know what Latif claims. I know what the Gov’t claims. The Gov’t still believes he was much more involved in the war than he claims, they just don’t think it mattered anymore and he could be released (either in 2004 or 2006). The evidence for his alleged combatant activities comes from Latif himself and is summarized in a “Report.” In 2010, a district court said the “Report” was not reliable and Latif _must_ be released due to lack a of compelling evidence and that Latif’s version seems credible enough. The appellate court said the Report was reliable and was enough to continue holding Latif if the Gov’t wanted to. The only reason they wanted to is because they didn’t know where to release him to. What both sides agree on is that in early 2001 (i.e., that’s pre-9/11) Latif left Yemen at someone’s request. He went to Pakistan, then to Kabul. He stayed in Kabul for 5 months. Then fled to Pakistan where he was caught with a group of other men. Latif says: he was going to Afghanistan for medical treatment and the man in Yemen worked for a charity that could help with that; and his 5 months in Kabul were spent at an Islamic Center studying under an Iman. During the war in Afghanistan, he tried to flee to the Yemen Embassy in Pakistan, but was arrested before he made it. Latif had medical documents on him and his head injury he wanted treatment for is documented and occurred in 1994. The US says: the man in Yemen was a recruiter and the route traveled was used by many other jihadists; and his 5 months in Kabul were spent training under the Taliban. His medical treatment “trip” is a well-known cover story and we’ve heard it before. So, he’s either completely innocent of anything, or at worst, a low-level nobody. Here’s a what the appellate court thought of what he says he was doing and the Gov’t allegations of what he was doing. From the DC Circuit Opinion that vacated the district court’s findings: > [@](#): > > What makes Latif’s current story so hard to swallow is not its intrinsic implausibility but its correspondence in so many respects with the Report he now repudiates. Like Dorothy Gale upon awakening at home in Kansas after her fantastic journey to the Land of Oz, Latif’s current account of what transpired bears a striking resemblance to the familiar faces of his former narrative. Just as the Gales’ farmhands were transformed by Dorothy’s imagination into the Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion, it is at least plausible that Latif, when his liberty was at stake, transformed his jihadi recruiter into a charity worker, his Taliban commander into an imam, his comrades-in-arms into roommates, and his military training camp into a center for religious study. Although the [district] court noted Latif’s “innocent explanations for the names that appear in the [Report],” and addressed them one by one, the court failed to consider the cumulative effect of all these uncanny coincidences as our precedent requires. I’m much less concerned that he was caught and detained (maybe I should be). Extremely saddened he was never released when that’s what everyone wanted for a very long time. Even worse, other Yemenis were released to Yemen, even during the “we’re not releasing anyone to Yemen” period that’s been ongoing the past couple years. Why not this guy? Why does the Gov’t put itself in the bizarre position of fighting to detain a guy they’ve recommended for release? His freedom should trump political backlash. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450/40 "2012-09-14T18:12:06Z")
What gets me is that the whole Gitmo issue was a major issue and illegal and immoral when Bush Jr. was doing it but it’s almost a non-issue now with Obama in office. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/innocent-man-dies-in-gitmo-and-its-obamas-fault/634450.md?page=3)