# Insane Clown Posse ... your thoughts?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [February 25, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375 "2009-02-25T16:02:21Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![mariposalabrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@mariposalabrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mariposalabrown)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/101 "2009-03-02T05:18:52Z")

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Am I getting wooshed left and right? I will put four grand on the fact that no Juggalo has gone to France to learn the intricacies of being a true clown. This also stinks of a “King of the Hil” episode, and I should stop while I’m ahead.

UGH. Why did I even bother to ask? Juggalos don’t want to be clowns. If they did, I might like that culture. Instead they want act like bottom dwellers with paint on their faces. Please prove me wrong, Straight Dope Juggalos. The only one that I have seen bring his face forward admitted to hating most of the music, and not hearing the rest of it. If that’s the case, please explain why you want to be a Juggalo, even though you hate the music. This blows my mind twelve different ways. At least punk rock has cool chains and red tartan plaids and wonderful boots!

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**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/102 "2009-03-02T09:49:56Z")

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> [@mariposalabrown](#):
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> Straight Dope Juggalos. The only one that I have seen bring his face forward admitted to hating most of the music, and not hearing the rest of it. If that’s the case, please explain why you want to be a Juggalo, even though you hate the music.

I assume you’re referring to me. I don’t hate the music, I just find that the vast majority of what they’ve put out isn’t worth listening to time and time again. But what I do like of theirs I really like because it’s raunchy and funky like a dirty laundry pile. And I don’t _want_ to be a Juggalo, I **am** one.

I think everyone looks for a complicated explanation of what drives a person to like this group despite their lack of obvious redeeming value. And the answer is too simple: ICP (and the Juggalos by extension) likes being hated. When _The Great Milenko_ was pulled by Disney a day after being released, ICP briefly enjoyed mainstream success and they _hated_ it. Violent J sums it up nicely in the intro to “Juggalo Family”:

_And they wanted to know if I would trade ten Juggalos for a hundred mainstream fans. And I said I wouldn’t trade ten Juggalos for a hundred thousand mainstream fans. Ten Juggalos is priceless._

Or from the sampler for _The Wraith_, Simple and Blunt:

_Tell me this muthafucka truly, how you living?  
Ever get the urge maybe do a little wig-splittin’?  
Ever been the last kid picked for a team?  
Ever had muthafuckas come and shit on your dreams?  
Do you have ideas and something to say  
Only ain’t nobody ever got they ears pointed your way  
Ever been fucked with for like this and like that  
And go home with crazy thoughts about cuttin’ they neck?  
You might find an escape in this band the world hates  
‘Cause we been gettin’ shit on homie, we can relate._

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**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/103 "2009-03-02T15:42:06Z")

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DWMarch, what makes you consider yourself a juggalo? On the video I had - mentioned up thread - they described juggalos as _fanatics_. Juggalos are known for wearing ICP/Psychopathic clothes every single day, having the stickers on their cars, going to every show in the region (even 2 states away) in facepaint, listening to nothing but ICP and other Pyschopathic Records acts, and basically loving every minute of it. You seem like someone who likes their attitude and a couple of their songs.

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**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/104 "2009-03-02T18:23:45Z")

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> [@Cisco](#):
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> DWMarch, what makes you consider yourself a juggalo? On the video I had - mentioned up thread - they described juggalos as _fanatics_. Juggalos are known for wearing ICP/Psychopathic clothes every single day, having the stickers on their cars, going to every show in the region (even 2 states away) in facepaint, listening to nothing but ICP and other Pyschopathic Records acts, and basically loving every minute of it. You seem like someone who likes their attitude and a couple of their songs.

As they so elegantly put it in _Hound Dogs_:  
_Real Juggalos don’t want no picture  
They just walk up like “What up ninja?”  
After that they give a fuck where I’m headin’  
They’re like “Fuck him, we’re looking for neden!”_

Or how about _The Unveiling_?  
_This ain’t a fuckin’ fan club  
It ain’t about makin’ a buck  
Don’t buy our fuckin’ action figures bitch  
I don’t give a fuck_

So who’s a real Juggalo? Someone with all the merch and very uncritical ear or someone who can quote those lyrics from memory?

Besides, I’m defending ICP on the SDMB. That should establish my Juggalo credentials right there!

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/105 "2009-03-02T18:29:33Z")

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Well, there’s only one thing for it. The acid test: **DWMarch** must powerbomb a motherfuckah into thumbtacks in order to prove his Juggalo credentials.

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**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/106 "2009-03-02T18:30:41Z")

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I’ve defended them here, and I’m definitely not a juggalo. I could sit here and quote _Ninja_ or just about any song off their first 4 joker’s cards to you all day, and I’m still not a juggalo.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/107 "2009-03-02T18:47:04Z")

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^ Also not a juggalo. Scared of clowns.

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**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/108 "2009-03-03T01:48:51Z")

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> [@pravnik](#):
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> That presents an interesting philosophical question: where does one draw line line between real clowns, and guys who just dress like clowns and put on clown makeup?

Bozo = Clown

John Wayne Gacy = Not a Clown

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**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/109 "2009-03-03T02:21:17Z")

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Pagliacchi= Down with the clown

Shakes= Juggalo

I was on the same Menatal ward as Violent J, Bitches!

His sister was from the town and he came here on a breakdown… get his clown paint touched up… recoup and deal with the Jugg-a-lin.

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**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/110 "2009-03-03T02:37:16Z")

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I think I also heard that they did a great guide, rating, and revue of Detroit and other US Airport Oriental Massage Parlors and Saunas.

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**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/111 "2009-03-03T02:55:01Z")

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I don’t know very much about them, to be honest, but when I helped with security for a gaming website, every single person who had a “Juggalo” reference in their login name or their profile eventually trolled the site, tried to break security, or just misbehaved. At first I thought it was the same person moving around a lot and changing service providers, before I found out where “Juggalo” came from.

This isn’t to say that all ICP fans are worthless antisocial trash; just that I had a protracted run where every single one I met was.

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**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-clown-posse-your-thoughts/487375/112 "2009-03-03T03:45:28Z")

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Apparently, it’s cool to be hated. I guess in the same way poor is cool. Ridiculous, and juvenile.

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