# Insane interpretations that you have seen about media? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 27, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236 "2024-12-27T18:45:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/81 "2024-12-31T02:56:28Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I read a novelization of the movie that directly stated he and his father were immortal. I’m curious for sure. This one? > **[Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (novel)](https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Last_Crusade_(novel))** > > The Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade novel is Rob MacGregor's adaptation of the Last Crusade film, published in June 1989 by Ballantine Books. The book, along with the novelizations of Raiders of the Lost Ark and Indiana Jones and the Temple of... ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/82 "2024-12-31T03:39:13Z")
Possibly that one. Can’t say for sure without checking it. Was there more than one novelization? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/83 "2024-12-31T03:46:43Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Possibly that one. Can’t say for sure without checking it. Was there more than one novelization?. Not that I see. I have it on hold at the library right now. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/84 "2024-12-31T04:37:11Z")
More a general genre thing but “Most bad guys in American films since the 1980s have been Muslims due to Israeli or other general Anti-Muslim influences” This was in the context of somebody claiming that in Avatar the Navi were “coded” as being Arabic Muslims. Nevermind the Navi are supposed to be the GOOD guys in that movie. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/85 "2024-12-31T06:38:31Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > More a general genre thing but “Most bad guys in American films since the 1980s have been Muslims due to Israeli or other general Anti-Muslim influences” Huh? In fact it seems most bad guys are the CIA or big Business. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/86 "2024-12-31T06:49:33Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > This was in the context of somebody claiming that in Avatar the Navi were “coded” as being Arabic Muslims. That reminds me of people saying that Temuera Morrison in _Attck of the Clones_ symbolized Mexican immigrants invading the US. > Latino critics in particular charge his latest Star Wars epic, Episode II: Attack of the Clones, toys with American paranoia about Mexican immigration with its cloned army of swarthy lookalikes who march in lockstep by the tens of thousands, and ultimately end up serving as Darth Vader’s white-suited warriors. > **[TheForce.Net - Latest News - Detroit News Cries Racism in Episode II](http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Detroit_News_Cries_Racism_in_Episode_II_66692.asp)** > > How utterly and completely absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/87 "2024-12-31T08:37:55Z")
A crazy right wing one I saw “Predator is Anti-Gun because the heavily armed soldiers are no match for the alien and instead it’s beaten with sticks and stones” ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/88 "2024-12-31T17:57:56Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > That reminds me of people saying that Temuera Morrison in _Attck of the Clones_ symbolized Mexican immigrants invading the US. Also they are made on a planet called Kamino… while camino in spanish means road…it’s the “road to invasion”… Yeah, I was in the Star Wars fandom in the easrly 2000s. I remember the “controversy” first hand. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/89 "2024-12-31T18:14:55Z")
Back in the day I recall reading an article by a Star Trek fan pushing the theory that every single episode in the series (this was before ST: TNG) was set in an alternate universe, which is why Spock kept giving low odds of survival/success that Kirk always beat. We only see the timelines where Spock was _wrong,_ most of the time Kirk just gets himself or the _Enterprise_ obliterated by ignoring the Vulcan. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/90 "2024-12-31T19:00:19Z")
I think it is just easier to assume Spock doesn’t know shit about computing odds on one-time events. But, no one ever calls him on it. People think “all Vulcans are geniuses.” ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/91 "2024-12-31T19:09:00Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > And not because they manufacture artificial people to replace workers? High-five. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’ve met numerous people who thought Indiana Jones became immortal at the end of The Last Crusade because he drank from the Grail. Would explain the refrigerator scene. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/92 "2024-12-31T21:50:07Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I think it is just easier to assume Spock doesn’t know shit about computing odds on one-time events. After all, everyone knows that million-to-one chances succeed nine times out of ten. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/93 "2024-12-31T23:02:21Z")
Don’t they literally say in the movie itself three knights showed up, drank from the holy Grail, and the other two left and died but they were supremely old when they died? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/94 "2024-12-31T23:15:28Z")
Here is what the movie says. I’ve heard this one as well. ``` Two of these brothers walked out of the desert one hundred and fifty years after having found the Grail and began the long journey back to France. But only one of them made it. And before dying of extreme old age, he supposedly imparted his tale to a Franciscan friar, I think. ``` I think the idea is: They age a bit while they are in there with the Grail. I mean, you’d have go guzzle it constantly to stay young. Either that, or they rapidly aged when they left. The knight is supposed to be really old when they get there. I think he’s been sipping from it daily to keep himself alive until another arrived to guard it. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/95 "2024-12-31T23:59:51Z")
I never got the impression that you had to continually drink from the Grail, just that once you did drink, immortality only lasted until you left and passed the great seal. Did the knight say that and I just completely missed it the dozens of times I’ve seen the film? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/96 "2025-01-01T00:31:20Z")
What I wonder about that movie (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade) is what happens after? They’ve brought the grail cup to the outer area of the cavern, a fissure has opened in the ground and the cup fallen into that. Does the ancient knight retrieve it and continue his endless vigil? Or is it irretrievable and the knight will die eventually? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/97 "2025-01-01T00:35:52Z")
I think it’s over. It falls, the knight sees the collapse, and waves goodbye. It’s gone and over. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/98 "2025-01-01T00:36:36Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Did the knight say that and I just completely missed it the dozens of times I’ve seen the film? Hmmmm…I guess it is not totally clear. I mean, he definitely aged while in there. And it wasn’t drinking, but pouring the water onto Henry’s wounds that healed them. Quoting him: You have chosen wisely. But the Grail cannot pass beyond the Great Seal. That is the boundary and the price of immortality. I mean, I think it’s not that immorality can not go past the seal, just the cup. Which means you can only be immortal when you are with the cup to drink…and redrink. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/99 "2025-01-01T00:46:34Z")
I’m more curious what happens if Indiana Jones never intervened and the Nazis find the Holy Grail but realize it only works inside the temple? Would Hitler simply pull up stakes and go live inside the Temple forever and command from there? Then the end of the war comes (since the holy Grail doesn’t really give the Nazis that big of a tactical advantage) and the United States just atomic bombs that temple just to be sure? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236/100 "2025-01-01T01:16:27Z")
In-universe conspiracy theory: That’s exactly what _actually_ happened, the whole “shot himself in a bunker” thing is a cover story manufactured to avoid having to mention “we nuked the Holy Grail”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insane-interpretations-that-you-have-seen-about-media/1012236.md?page=6)