# Insight into the mind of a Trump supporter **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 29, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985 "2016-10-29T00:05:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/41 "2016-10-30T11:22:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Um, yeah. Did any of these people notice that Obama didn’t take away their guns? [Two gun control laws](http://uspolitics.about.com/od/Gun-Control/a/Gun-Laws-Signed-By-Obama.htm) were passed, both expanding gun rights. However, he did sign [23 executive actions](http://uspolitics.about.com/od/Gun-Control/a/President-Barack-Obamas-23-Executive-Actions-On-Gun-Violence.htm). Guess how many restrict gun ownership? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/42 "2016-10-30T11:57:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is what happens when people are not accountable. They spew mad predictions like this, and then they don’t happen, and then… they spew them again for the next election, without the slightest consequence from their audience for being wrong. We \*desperately \*need better citizenry. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/43 "2016-10-30T11:57:51Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > [Two gun control laws](http://uspolitics.about.com/od/Gun-Control/a/Gun-Laws-Signed-By-Obama.htm) were passed, both expanding gun rights. However, he did sign [23 executive actions](http://uspolitics.about.com/od/Gun-Control/a/President-Barack-Obamas-23-Executive-Actions-On-Gun-Violence.htm). Guess how many restrict gun ownership? Number seven in that list: Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. The nerve of that man! And the answer to your question is None of them. By the way, your post makes it seem Obama only signed 23 executive actions, all of which restricted gun ownership. Reality is that he signed a lot more, they’re not legal binding actions, and your cite specifically lists only the 23 that are in response to gun violence. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/44 "2016-10-30T14:37:14Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > A friend of mine sent me this link today with genuine concern asking, “Do you think this is really going to happen? Can you research this?” > > [http://americarightnow.com/u-s-news/u-n-says-they-will-soon-occupy-america-under-hillary-going-door-to-door-taking-guns/](http://americarightnow.com/u-s-news/u-n-says-they-will-soon-occupy-america-under-hillary-going-door-to-door-taking-guns/) The website your friend linked to has other important and factual information, too: [Early voting data shows World War I veterans overwhelmingly support Hillary Clinton](http://americarightnow.com/u-s-news/early-voting-data-shows-world-war-i-veterans-overwhelmingly-support-hillary-clinton/) > [@](#): > > With at least 25,000 World War I veterans casting their votes thus far, the party affiliation breakdown of submitted ballots is suggesting a hard break towards the Clinton camp among veterans who fought in the Great War from 1914-1918, sources say. Gotta watch out for those super-liberal senior citizens. We all know that they vote in the greatest numbers. Especially those in the 120-130 year-old range. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/45 "2016-10-30T14:51:25Z")
Correct, but the original recipe of this Republic called for the democracy ingredient to come from only reputable suppliers. We’ve been watering down the product for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Batfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Batfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batfish)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/46 "2016-10-30T15:04:49Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Correct, but the original recipe of this Republic called for the democracy ingredient to come from only reputable suppliers. > > We’ve been watering down the product for decades. So, let us in on it. Who do _you_ think deserves the franchise? ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/47 "2016-10-30T15:18:08Z")
I’m pretty wide open actually. I have but one limiter (aside from the existing age limit), it does not involve race, creed, sex, sexual orientation or education. If you receive direct government assistance to subsist (not insurance like SS or Medicare) then you are disqualified from voting until you are not receiving it. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/48 "2016-10-30T15:42:14Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > If you receive direct government assistance to subsist (not insurance like SS or Medicare) then you are disqualified from voting until you are not receiving it. So Joe and Bob both work at the same company, both do the same middle class job, both pay their taxes. But Joe was born with a rare and crippling genetic condition, and a government program helps offset the cost of his medical care. Bob gets to vote and Joe doesn’t? (Your plan is also rife with abuses such as both sides arguing over whether a particular government program is “insurance” or “assistance” purely to either enfranchise or disenfranchise blocks of voters.) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/49 "2016-10-30T15:45:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Just read an interesting [bit](http://science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6310/286) on it in _Science_ actually. Not specifically about gun confiscation beliefs but in the more abstract: “Why I know but don’t believe”. It is not simple ignorance. > > Subpopulations of Americans have core beliefs that are _tied together_ and supported by their social systems. Information that would be solid enough to convince someone that an isolated belief is incorrect has no chance when changing that belief would also undermine the support for a whole host of other beliefs that they feel certain of, some of which are key parts of their social structures. Indeed - it uses the example of creationism, which as we’ve discussed before, is largely supported by the question in believers’ minds of “well, if THAT part of the Bible is merely a metaphor, what tells me the part about Jesus saving me is not one as well?” It involves a holistic system of viewing the world. You just know “They” are seeking to establish a socialistic statist system in which you may only do or say those things “They” have decided are “good for you” _ **and it’s All Or Nothing.** _ So because “They” intend to indeed impose ALL of their agenda on us, that one particular thing does not happen does not matter because we just KNOW “They” are just biding their time. > [@Bricker](#): > > Exactly this. > > This is what happens when people are not accountable. They spew mad predictions like this, and then they don’t happen, and then… they spew them again for the next election, without the slightest consequence from their audience for being wrong. And it creates a myth that the only reason it did not happen is because they sounded the warning and were on guard. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/50 "2016-10-30T16:14:30Z")
“rare and crippling genetic” That’s why I don’t like one size fits all government regulations. I feel bad for Joe but at least this is a rare situation and will bee kept to a minimum for the good of all. As far as the rest, I’d love to abolish SS and all those other programs so that those arguments go away. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Niply\_Elder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@The\_Niply\_Elder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Niply_Elder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/51 "2016-10-30T17:45:56Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > On NPR today they were talking about how the median income of a Trump supporter is greater than the median of the US and that of Clinton’s supporters. And that the median education level was greater than that of the median US. I wonder why the left is so quick to disparage their opponents as being dumb and poor when the facts say otherwise? Excellent point. But, shouldn’t we dig a little bit deeper in terms of the education comparison? A millennial that graduated within the last 10 years and a Gen X that graduated 30-40 years ago count the same? Is the quality and relevance of those two educations the same? What about the amount of information retained? Memories are fragile after all but diplomas are conserved if you put them in a frame. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/52 "2016-10-30T18:15:46Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Going door to door to take away our guns is straight out of _The Turner Diaries_, possibly the nastiest piece of racist garbage out there. It is like a dog whistle. I actually have that book. :eek: I found it at a thrift store, and I’m guessing that whoever put it out on the shelf had no idea what it was. Still haven’t read it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/53 "2016-10-30T18:20:05Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > I’m pretty wide open actually. I have but one limiter (aside from the existing age limit), it does not involve race, creed, sex, sexual orientation or education. > > If you receive direct government assistance to subsist (not insurance like SS or Medicare) then you are disqualified from voting until you are not receiving it. Are you serious? Do you have any idea how many millions of people this would disqualify - most of them “deserving”, whatever that means? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/54 "2016-10-30T18:24:21Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Correct, but the original recipe of this Republic called for the democracy ingredient to come from only reputable suppliers. > > We’ve been watering down the product for decades. Let’s be clear about this. We have “watered down” the democracy by allowing non-property owners, women, and non-white people to vote. You are wishing for a return to a time when only affluent white men were participants on democracy. By any chance are you a member of any group that your scheme would deny the right to vote? Or does your scheme amount to legitimizing the political voice of an elite who are likely to agree with you on most things? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/55 "2016-10-30T18:34:25Z")
I’m sure they can eat cake. /s ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/56 "2016-10-30T18:34:25Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > By any chance are you a member of any group that your scheme would deny the right to vote? This isn’t an impediment to some. Ann Coulter thinks it was a mistake to let women vote because they just vote for nanny state Democrats… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/57 "2016-10-30T18:55:52Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > I’m pretty wide open actually. I have but one limiter (aside from the existing age limit), it does not involve race, creed, sex, sexual orientation or education. > > If you receive direct government assistance to subsist (not insurance like SS or Medicare) then you are disqualified from voting until you are not receiving it. So anyone who receives welfare checks, food stamps, WIC money for infants and pregnant women, heating assistance, the Earned Income Tax Credit, federal Medicaid payments, college tuition assistance, or housing subsidies, loses their right as citizens to vote? Alrightee then. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/58 "2016-10-30T19:05:02Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So anyone who receives welfare checks, food stamps, WIC money for infants and pregnant women, heating assistance, the Earned Income Tax Credit, federal Medicaid payments, college tuition assistance, or housing subsidies, loses their right as citizens to vote? > > Alrightee then. In addition to all the people who receive tax subsidies (sorry, _rebates_) for having children or being married, plus everyone in the Fully-Socialized Welfare Force laughably referred to as the US Armed Forces. Yep. Enlisted personnel especially. I mean, what’s a uniform allowance but a government clothing subsidy? ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/59 "2016-10-30T19:10:57Z")
I’ve already stated that my criteria does not use race, sex, creed. My criteria is based on the inherit conflict of interest when one is dependent on the government treasury to survive and being able to vote himself more from that same treasury. To you other question, yes I was once a member of the class that I would exclude. Like everyone I’ve cycled in and out of tough times and at one time I received food stamps. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985/60 "2016-10-30T19:11:36Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > I’m not sure education has anything to do with it. Sure there’s a correlation between the Trumpidiots and the uneducated, but it’s not like they train you in school on how to debunk conspiracy theories. > > I think there is a certain psychological type that wants to believe they are the only ones who know the truth. Everyone else is fooled but they can see through the facade. It gives them an inflated sense of purpose to feel this way, so they will mold their beliefs around that feeling without even realizing what is truly motivating them. I thought they called themselves ‘Trumpons’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insight-into-the-mind-of-a-trump-supporter/769985.md?page=4)