# "Intellectual Dark Web" Stupidity Omnibus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193 "2019-01-04T13:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/181 "2019-06-18T19:56:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I am not naturally sympathetic to the “Black Studies made me become a Nazi” position. Partly this is because, as a straight white male myself (and a college Black Studies major), I have no idea what these guys are even talking about. I’ve never been told “fuck you for being a straight white man.” Nothing of the kind. Bret Weinstein has though. IIRC he was told precisely that, repeatedly, and at full volume, by an outraged gang of unstable Evergreen students. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/182 "2019-06-18T20:00:10Z")
> [@](#): > > These people are not getting the message “everyone hates white straight males” from left wing media. They’re not watching left wing media!! It’s absurd. This strikes me as one of those unprovable assertions that allows the speaker almost infinite latitude to move the goalposts so before I go any further with this, I’d just like to ask; what would I need to show you to prove this wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/183 "2019-06-18T21:42:29Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > This strikes me as one of those unprovable assertions that allows the speaker almost infinite latitude to move the goalposts so before I go any further with this, I’d just like to ask; what would I need to show you to prove this wrong? An at least semi-mainstream “left-wing” (at this point I’d settle for “Teen Vogue”) that says anything remotely like “everyone hates white men” or “Fuck white men” without it being obvious and blatant satire. Preferably a piece that is more than one person venting their own frustration with privileged men in their lives. I’ll spot you one: “Stupid White Men” by Michael Moore kinda says that. Mostly as a joke, kind of not. But that was a decade and a half ago. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/184 "2019-06-18T21:47:11Z")
So, maybe something like [this](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.amp.html)? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/185 "2019-06-18T22:14:01Z")
The biggest problem with the IDW is that they are solely a group of reactionary culture warriors. They don’t stand for anything but milking a “those blue-haired feminists/students have gone too far” gravy train of publicity and patreon dollars. A movement of hucksters. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/186 "2019-06-18T22:31:09Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > So, maybe something like [this](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.amp.html)? Hmm. “I don’t know if I can trust [del]white people[/del] white Trump supporters and apologists (because they are consistently incredibly racist) and that means we can’t really be friends” = “Fuck white men”? (No, seriously, that’s the thesis of the article: ) But the deepest rift is with the apologists, the “good” Trump voters, the white people who understand that Mr. Trump says “unfortunate” things but support him because they like what he says on jobs and taxes. They bristle at the accusation that they supported racism, insisting they had to ignore Mr. Trump’s ugliness. Relying on everyday decency as a shield, they are befuddled at the chill that now separates them from black people in their offices and social circles. They protest: Have they ever said anything racist? Don’t they shovel the sidewalk of the new black neighbors? Surely, they say, politics — a single vote — does not mean we can’t be friends. I do not write this with liberal condescension or glee. My heart is unbearably heavy when I assure you we cannot be friends. The same is true, unfortunately, of those who hold no quarter for Mr. Trump but insist that black people need to do the reaching out, the moderating, the accommodating. Imagine the white friend during the civil rights era who disliked blacks’ being beaten to death but wished the whole thing would just settle down. However likable, you could not properly describe her as a friend. Sometimes politics makes demands on the soul. In fact, the author goes out of her way to say, “Don’t misunderstand: White Trump supporters and people of color can like one another,” and defines “friendship” in terms of trust and equality. Like, don’t get me wrong, I can understand how someone might look at this article, read the headline, stop reading, and get offended. _The grift is encouraging that_. The Daily Wire (Shapiro’s website) ran not one but two articles talking about this, one of which ran under the lovely title, “Shocking New York Times Op-Ed Suggests Children Should Be Segregated By Race”, which is exactly as honest as one would expect from Ben Shapiro’s website. It even ends the article by appealing to Martin Luther King, to fill out my bingo card of “shitty right-wing race grievances”. Fox News ran articles and segments on this. You can probably find more. None of these articles grapple with the point of the article; all of them simply say, “Look at this racist black person” with the implication being that people who complain about racism from Trump supporters are crazy. In fact, here’s a pull quote: But that’s not all. Although Yankah could probably find plenty of ideological allies among white leftists, **he believes that the probability of encountering someone who believes differently from him is far too high** , so long as he and his children continue to interact with anyone of a different race. So despite their best efforts, those who vote Democrat are among Yankah’s enumerated enemies. [INDENT] The same is true, unfortunately, **of those who hold no quarter for Mr. Trump but insist that black people need to do the reaching out, the moderating, the accommodating**. Imagine the white friend during the civil rights era who disliked blacks’ being beaten to death but wished the whole thing would just settle down. However likable, you could not properly describe her as a friend. Sometimes politics makes demands on the soul.[/INDENT] That is literally not what the quote says and anyone who reads it can tell (emphasis mine) but go off I guess. And, in case anyone’s keeping score, this is one angry academic posting in the New York Times that they will teach their child to be cautious around white people because white people are often incredibly racist. Meanwhile, Breitbart and The Federalist literally had “Black Crime” tags until the mainstream media rightfully pointed out [how fucking sick that is](https://newrepublic.com/article/122624/breitbart-its-only-race-murder-if-victims-are-white). So perhaps a certain degree of anger is warranted. Hence why I said: > [@](#): > > Preferably a piece that is more than one person venting their own frustration with privileged men in their lives. …Because that’s exactly what this is. Someone whose life has and will continue to be affected by racism grousing about racism, and being honest with her child about racism. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/187 "2019-06-18T22:32:02Z")
Much like the Holy Roman Empire, the Intellectual Dark Web is three lies in one. They’re not intellectual in the least, not dark in any sense of the word (come back when y’all are running orphan websites only accessible by Tor, fuckmooks !), and “web” is a misnomer for a disparate collection of mostly unrelated cunts who each try to somehow make their personal racism/sexism/reactionarism seem palatable, edgy or justified. Which mostly they really, but really don’t. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/188 "2019-06-18T22:44:19Z")
Intellectual Dark Webs become more popular during times of dizzying technological and social change, such as what we’re living through now. It’s not really a movement but a social/political phenomenon that looks both backward and forward - backward in the sense that there are certain fundamental “truths” or cultural tenets which make a culture “strong” and that somewhere along the way, our culture forgot what those “truths” were and now society is threatening to throw itself over a cliff. Simultaneously, the IDW and its variants dabble in futurism as well, offering a seemingly rational, academic path forward toward building a highly modernist culture that embraces and even leans on a specific historical description of who ‘we’ are. It’s no coincidence that they embrace the latest technology and become particularly adept at using technology to spread their influence. It’s not just an effective way to spread their gospel, but in so doing it reinforces the notion that they’re embracing a forward-thinking and enlightening kind of social and political transformation. In and of itself, there’s nothing particularly threatening about people who don’t necessarily explicitly advocate hatred or violence but just “controversial” views. The unfortunate tendency of movements like these, however, is that they tend to deal in a zero-sum world. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/189 "2019-06-19T03:02:43Z")
I like Harris. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/190 "2019-06-19T06:34:49Z")
> [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > Like, don’t get me wrong, I can understand how someone might look at this article, read the headline, stop reading, and get offended. The piece isn’t as discerning as you imply. To the author, all white people are a danger to his kids. He writes: _ **“As against our gauzy national hopes, I will teach my boys to have profound doubts that friendship with white people is possible”** _ This _necessarily_ implies the following: 1). All white people are a certain ‘base level’ of racist, and that level is unacceptable. 2). It’s acceptable to make judgements about people’s character and intentions based on nothing more than their race. Your reading of the article is so absurdly charitable that I’m not sure there’s much point citing further examples. After all, why should I bother if you’re just going to hand wave away the racism anyway? Yeah, he spends a lot of time talking about Trump supporters, but he also _explicitly_ says he’ll teach his kids to distrust _all_ white people! The fact is, if you reversed the races you’d have something that wouldn’t be out of place on Richard Spencer’s blog. If you think a white person can only be offended by this if he stopped reading at the headline then I honestly don’t know what evidence would persuade you. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/191 "2019-06-19T06:34:58Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I will be happy to defend Harris, Haider, Hughes, or Pinker if and when you turn your righteous jihad towards them. Until then, knock yourself out. Wanna defend the tweet where known torture supporter Sam Harris says that milkshaking is “mock assassination”? Or the one where he praises insane neo-nazi conspiracy theorist Stefan Molyneux? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/192 "2019-06-19T07:13:07Z")
“Milkshaking”? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/193 "2019-06-19T07:15:06Z")
I would be happy to rebut whatever complaint you have about that tweet if you first articulate your problem with it. (You have a tendency to expect people to read your mind or for everyone to see your reactions to things as self-evident.) I’m only slightly familiar with Bret Weinstein, so I don’t know if he has rhetorical skeletons in his closet that I would not be willing to defend. But what was quoted there is spot on. Here’s an edited version of something I wrote in 2017 on the subject: > [@](#): > > The anti-white dude shade that has grown more and more rampant on liberal Twitter has now become so pervasive that a host of NPR’s All Things Considered (a show that has millions of listeners across the country) thinks nothing of conducting a show business interview (with Judd Apatow) as follows. Just amazing. > > First, she grilled Apatow on whether he was dedicating sufficient time and energy opposing Trump, whether he’s walking the walk or just talking the talk: > > [Judd Apatow On His Characters: 'If Everyone Is Mature, There Is No Comedy' : NPR](http://www.npr.org/2017/02/17/515841104/judd-apatow-on-his-characters-if-everyone-is-mature-there-is-no-comedy) > > > [@](#): > > > > APATOW: There’s no logic in how he thinks. I don’t want someone who’s the president who says 3 to 5 million people voted illegally when there’s zero proof. It’s a crazy person. > > > > MCEVERS: You can say this stuff. But I guess the real impact - right? - is, like, a couple of things like how you spend your money and the kind of stuff you make, right? I mean, it’s how do you think about yourself in this moment and what you can do. > > > > APATOW: As a Jewish man who has no interest in Judaism whatsoever, there’s something in me that says when bad things have happened in the past, people were supposed to get more active and speak up and prevent them. That’s what’s important to me is that everybody - and I don’t care what side you’re on. You can disagree with me, but everyone better get active. Everybody better vote and be thoughtful. > > > > MCEVERS: Are you doing that? Are you like doing registration stuff? Are you doing activism like organizing? Are you… > > > > APATOW: Well, I do benefits. I did a benefit for the ACLU a few weeks ago. We did a benefit for the USO last week in New York. I try to work with people like Rock the Vote, and it was effective. I think we were part of a campaign that got about a million and a half new people registered. > > > > It would be so irresponsible not to speak up. I don’t know what I would do in my home and in my life if I didn’t rant a little bit and as thoughtfully as I can with some humor. > > So even if we leave aside that this is all kind of weird because this is NPR’s All Things Considered and not the Rachel Maddow Show, and he is ostensibly on to talk about his non-political HBO comedy, Apatow should have been judged to have proved his progressive anti-Trump bonafides with his answers, all delivered in a good-natured way. Right? But then McEvers moves on to that new HBO show Apatow was invited to promote: > > > [@](#): > > > > MCEVERS: I want to talk about your latest show, “Crashing.” It’s coming out soon on HBO. And I want to be honest. When I first heard, I was like, a show about a white guy trying to make it as a comedian? And I’m not trying to be a jerk when I say that. I’m just - you know, I wanted to know… > > You can’t hear tone when reading, but let me assure you (or go listen for yourselves): “a show about a white guy trying to make it as a comedian?” was just dripping with open derision. Like “seriously, dude?” How dare he betray the liberal cause by making a white guy the protagonist? Gaahhh. > > And this is just how it is in the pop culture criticism world (though I was a little surprised to see it leak over to an NPR interview like that). Any music, TV, or cinematic project with a prominent role for a (straight) white guy is going to get some serious shade or at least side-eyeing. _Sorry if you happen to be a straight white male artist or writer of some kind in 2017: there were too many prominent such people over the past several hundred years in percentage terms [which is absolutely true but not the fault of Apatow or any other white dude with his heart in the right place], so you’re just going to have to sit down and forego using your talents or going after your dreams, because you are the wrong skin shade/gender/sexuality for the tenor of the times these days. I mean, you can go over to the GOP side, I guess: but we’ll just make fun of you like Scott Baio._ What people like BPC either don’t get, or are disingenuously strawmanning, is that it’s not a question of straight white cismen being oppressed the way women, gays, and/or POC have been. It’s the refusal by the “cool kids” to embrace them that is the problem. Human nature is to react to being mocked and dismissed by the cool kids with “Well then, fuck the cool kids! Where can I find a social clique that makes fun of THEM?” And the alt-right is only happy to oblige. :smack: It may be “fragile”, it may be petulant, but it is human nature—and we are talking about insecure adolescent boys growing up in a disconcertingly vertiginous social environment. _We_ should be the ones reaching out with a steadying hand and offering our welcome before the alt-right can worm their tentacles in. I suppose a philosophical debate can be had about whether this is the morally right move, but it is quite plainly the politically savvy, pragmatic thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/194 "2019-06-19T07:26:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > “Milkshaking”? Throwing milkshakes at people. It’s become kind of a fad among members of the activist left to throw milkshakes at right wing figures. Here’s [Nigel Farage](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJWlMxSm2A) getting one. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/195 "2019-06-19T07:56:16Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I would be happy to rebut whatever complaint you have about that tweet if you first articulate your problem with it. (You have a tendency to expect people to read your mind or for everyone to see your reactions to things as self-evident.) Past a certain point I have to wonder if you have some serious mental disorder and I’m being mean by expecting you to just _get_ why a tweet praising, signal-boosting, and normalizing a neo-nazi is a bad look, or why it’s both insensitive and so stupid that it’s funny to compare “throwing a milkshake at someone” to an assassination attempt. If that’s the case, I apologize. As someone with mild autism, I’ve been there, reading intent and subtext can be hard. But if that’s not your excuse, I’m kinda at a loss. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/196 "2019-06-19T07:59:49Z")
So…you can’t, then. Okay. [shrug] ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/197 "2019-06-19T08:01:58Z")
I literally just did. It’s all right there. You seem to have trouble parsing simple statements. Let’s see if this is any better for you. Sam Harris signal-boosted, normalized, and praised a neo-nazi. Do you need further elaboration on why that’s bad? If so, the problem is you. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/198 "2019-06-19T08:15:46Z")
I just had a look at that Molyneux tweet. It’s from 2012. I had a look back to see what kind of videos Molyneux was putting out back then. Judging by the titles, they’re mostly about Libertarianism, Bitcoin, and small government, with a bit of anti-feminism stuff thrown in for good measure. What was Molyneux doing _ **seven years ago** _ that should’ve made Harris think twice before retweeting him? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/199 "2019-06-19T08:29:27Z")
The fundamental point here has very little to do with the particulars of milkshakes, or who specifically is targeted by them. (I don’t know or care who was milkshaked in this case: if Sam actually praised his ideas as opposed to standing up for his right to express them, that must have been a different tweet than the one I saw—in which case please link me to it.) Sam Harris, like Dibble’s favorite philosopher John Stuart Mill, sees the free and unfettered expression of ideas—even bad ones, even shockingly heinous ones, and maybe even especially those—as the fundamental democratic human right from which all others flow. I agree wholeheartedly with them. You? Do not. Which is your right! But it makes niggling over specifics entirely beside the point. Present to me an actual idea Harris has PERSONALLY expressed, or EXPLICITLY endorsed, which you consider wrongheaded or worse, and I will probably defend it. (Or maybe not: I don’t agree with him about everything. Just nearly everything.) But this commutative property of guilt because he stuck up for a (quite possibly despicable) person’s right to freely express his (perhaps odious) opinions? Nah. That dog won’t hunt. ETA: While composing, I see a reference to Sam retweeting someone. I thought we were talking about the milkshaking-as-mock-assassination tweet. But I will again say that endorsing a single statement someone makes is not tantamount to taking responsibility for everything else they may have said in the past, or will say in the future. That way lies madness. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193/200 "2019-06-19T08:44:36Z")
From **Budget Player Cadet** ’s sig: > [@](#): > > The United States is currently running a series of concentration camps at the border. If you support or defend this, you’re a monster and we cannot be friends. Note that this is the _second_ time the United States has run concentration camps. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intellectual-dark-web-stupidity-omnibus/827193.md?page=11)